[CT Birds] Willow or Alder?

Mark Szantyr birddog55 at Charter.net
Wed Jun 4 22:14:44 EDT 2008

I have only encountered one "good" Alder Flycatcher up in the northeast.  It 
ws a bird from late May in the wet area at the back of Middle Reservoir in 
East Killingly.  I have, however, heard birds singing an alder song at dawn 
only to change over to a good willow song by about 8:00am.  This makes 
censusing for this species difficult.  I think there is some literature 
reference to this occuring but I will have to look it up.  In George Clark's 
book, it is listed as an uncommon migrant and a local rare summer visitor. 
It is historically thought to have bred in the area.  What also makes this 
difficult is the perceptual differences between people and how they perceive 
just what sound a bird is making.  I have seen two or three people disagree 
as to whaich song they were hearing on more than one occasion.


Mark S.Szantyr
80 Bicknell Road
Apt. 9
Ashford, CT 06278

Birddog55 at Charter.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Hanisek" <ghanisek at rep-am.com>
To: "Glenn Williams" <gswilliams9 at yahoo.com>; "Jim Zipp" 
<jimzipp at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Willow or Alder?

> Hi Glenn,
> It looks like we're getting a pretty decent discussion going on the status
> of Alder Flycatcher in the state. I'm aware from others' reports that 
> there
> are some Alders in the northeast part of the state (such as Pomfret). I
> recall Mark Szantyr (he may want to chime in) mentioning a site somewhere
> out east. I also recall him saying he had very limited contact with them 
> out
> there.
> Clay Taylor told me that there were Alders at Durham Meadows many years 
> ago.
> I'm not aware of any established territorial birds that far south now, but
> someone out there may have info that hasn't been disseminated. Zeranski &
> Baptist mention possible (but not confirmed) breeding in the Conn R Valley
> south of Hartford. Again, I'm not aware of any territorial birds in that
> area now.
> It's possible (totally specualtive on my part) that various attempts by
> Alder to extend its range in CT have failed because of the dominance of
> Willow Fly where they occur together (from Birds of N.A. Online).
> It's also good to note that Alder is probably the latest migrant among 
> CT's
> breeding species, so birds heard singing Alder songs even now in southern
> areas may be migrants (as Frank Gallo noted in a post on one from the 
> recent
> Stratford Bioblitz).
> Greg Hanisek
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn Williams" <gswilliams9 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Greg Hanisek" <ghanisek at rep-am.com>; "Jim Zipp" 
> <jimzipp at sbcglobal.net>
> Cc: <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Willow or Alder?
>> I don't have my records handy at the moment, but there
>> was a bird fairly south in Rhode Island determined to
>> be an Alder Flycatcher a few years back.  It returned
>> for at least two breeding seasons.  Does anyone
>> remember where?  There were also several Alder
>> Flycatchers in Pomfret during the breeding season back
>> when I used to bird that area in the late 90's.  Are
>> they still there?
>> Glenn Williams
>> Mystic, CT
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