[CT Birds] Where are the Petrels?

holmses holmses at cox.net
Thu Jul 16 17:10:13 EDT 2009


What about birds that fly over my yard but don't land? Can we count those as 
"yard birds"?  I've got a Bald Eagle riding on this one. Dave Holmes
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Szantyr" <birddog55 at charter.net>
To: "CTBirds" <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Where are the Petrels?


> And, in agreement with Dave, it changes the historical reading of bird 
> records as, in the past, observers worried about what waters a bird was 
> seen in.  To all of a sudden add a bunch of records for pelagic species in 
> CT because we are eliminating geopolitical boundaries and counting 
> everything we can see clouds the record.  Plus its fun waiting for that 
> Fea's Petrel to drift another mile closer...no, just one more mile...ok 
> maybe one more
>
> Mark
> Mark S. Szantyr
> 80 Bicknell Road #9
> Ashford, Connecticut 06278
> 860-487-9766
> Birddog55 at charter.net
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David F Provencher" <david.f.provencher at dom.com>
> To: "CTBirds" <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 1:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Where are the Petrels?
>
>
>> First let me start by saying once again that I stopped listing some time 
>> ago. Furthermore, I also have seen and heard a lot of heated arguments 
>> (by people who really ought to save their emotions for more important 
>> things imho) over what state a bird actually was in. So while I agree in 
>> spirit with you Dennis, if birders want to participate in any formalized 
>> listing group, they are going to have to live with the listing rules of 
>> that group, such as ABA listing rules. So birds seen over water, whether 
>> marine or fresh, will have to conform to some rule set defining what 
>> state or country they will be listed as occurring in. Additionally there 
>> is the issue of documenting species status for political and economic 
>> issues that will hinge on the documented occurrence (or non-occurrence.) 
>> Boundary lines are of course human constructs. But people are people and 
>> listers are listers. So if you say any bird over Long Island Sound counts 
>> for CT, all you'll end up doing is changing the question from "Did it 
>> cross the GPS point that marks the boundary?" to "Did it cross the 
>> water's edge as it flew down the beach?" In effect it only moves the line 
>> the lister is concerned about.
>>
>> Oh, and I would not suggest proposing to NY listers giving all LIS birds 
>> to us CT birders. They actually have quite a bit of interest in LIS birds 
>> in NY waters and they would probably consider you one of satan's minions 
>> for raising such heresy!
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ctbirds-bounces at lists.ctbirding.org 
>> [mailto:ctbirds-bounces at lists.ctbirding.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Varza
>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 12:57 PM
>> To: Posting Bird List
>> Subject: [CT Birds] Where are the Petrels?
>>
>> Hi folks
>>
>> After the Grouse flap things have been a little dull. So here is
>> something to think about
>>
>> Dennis Varza
>> Fairfield
>>
>>
>> Recent sighting of petrel in Long Island Sound often comment on
>> wether they were seen in Connecticut waters or not. I think this is a
>> trivial distinction. What is important is the presence of petrels and
>> shearwaters in the sound period. A bird in the sound is likely to
>> cross state boundaries anyway so exactly where the bird was flying
>> when observed is immaterial.
>>
>> People often keep property lists. As far as I know, that includes all
>> the birds seen from the property, such a a hawk flying off in the
>> distance. I recall a friend while in his neighborhood, heard a
>> particular owl calling. He then rushed back to his house so he could
>> hear it from his property and put it on his list.
>>
>> When doing Christmas Bird Counts, it is all birds observed from the
>> circle. We do not concern ourselves the bird is outside the area, as
>> long as we were within it.
>>
>> Many major birding area are on the border between towns. I bet for
>> most people west of Oyster River it is cited at being in Milford.
>> People living east of the are probably call it West Haven. I don't
>> know of anyone who makes the distinction of which town the bird was
>> standing in when writing field notes.  When I found the Ross' Gull it
>> was in Milford, but flew across the creek and landed on the West
>> Haven side. I guess I have it for two towns.
>>
>>
>> I believe that all pelagics found within the sound should be
>> considered Connecticut birds. I would think that New York has little
>> interest in Long Island Sound when they have the Atlantic Ocean to
>> play with. By keeping all records together we will get a better
>> understanding of what is happening in the sound as opposed to turning
>> a blind eye to half the records. Of course one tries to provide a
>> location as best as possible. And, obviously someone standing on the
>> beach at Port Jefferson spotting a Manx Shearwater makes it a New
>> York Bird. Otherwise anything seen from a boat, and not from shore,
>> can consider it Connecticut.
>>
>> It seems more rational and realistic than carrying a GPS and
>> consulting maps every time a bird is sighted.
>>
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