[CT Birds] Why I include Trumpeter Swan on my state list

birddog55 at charter.net birddog55 at charter.net
Wed Mar 31 16:36:19 EDT 2010


You are dead accurate in your questioning...this is exactlly the case with Trumpeter Swans in CT.  I think it is premature to consider them for state listing.

Mark
---- Jim Pfeifer <Jim.Pfeifer at erm.com> wrote: 
> I am fairly new at this, so please enlighten me, but what evidence is there that Trumpeter Swans ever had a sustained breeding population in the east?  Everything I've read suggests that this argument is not based on any real scientific work or data, and that the re-introduction/introduction (depending on your position on the issue) of this species is potentially harmful to the wetland ecosystems and related resident native waterfowl, and other fauna and flora.
> 
> I did get to see the pair recently reported in Stratford/Shelton, and they were magnificent, but I would like to better understand the rationale in advocating for them as a "State Bird".  Are there publications available to better understand this issue.
> 
> Jim
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ctbirds-bounces at lists.ctbirding.org [mailto:ctbirds-bounces at lists.ctbirding.org] On Behalf Of edward.raynor at maine.edu
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:16 PM
> To: Mark Szantyr
> Cc: Chasbarnard at aol.com; ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org
> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Why I include Trumpeter Swan on my state list
> 
> Down here in the Delta,
> 
> The LBRC will not accept a first state record unless it is a
> specimen(full evidence) or a decent to great photo(hard-evidence) of a
> wild bird; no sight records for state firsts (period). For example,
> the Brown-chested Martin sight record for CT would not be accepted by
> the likes of the LBRC until a specimen(which actually secretly,
> occurred last fall) or a photo of another individual was received and
> the hard-evidence record would be the first state record and the
> previous sight record would be the second state record (e.g Chihuanan
> Raven records for LA).
> 
> The recent wintering pair of Trumpeter Swans in northern LA will be
> probably not be fully accepted and will go down as origin uncertain or
> some other alternative. I'm assuming this will be the case for the CT
> committee. When a conclusive manuscript is published on the
> reintroduced population and its breeding success without aid of humans
> and potentially, independent future in the eastern U.S., I'd fully
> accept the record.
> 
> My 2 cents and some rambling....
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting "Mark Szantyr" <birddog55 at charter.net>:
> 
> > I guess the conversation is centered around the fact that this
> > species has been extirpated from the east for hundreds of years.
> >
> > There is still discussion being had as to whether this species ever
> > wintered north of Chesapeake Bay historically.  A lot of the
> > "evidence"  is hearsay and could be the product of
> > misidentification.  There is no guarantee that they will be
> > successful from current introduction though it does look sort of
> > promising.  It is a matter of deciding when and if the birds being
> > seen are naturally occuring due to their own nature and not a result
> > of human intervention...this is not going to be easy to know.  I
> > agree with Charlie...count them if you want.  We on the committee
> > are bound by a higher duty.  Our charge is to keep the record of
> > birds in Connecticut above reproach not just in 2010 but for
> > posterity.  If I were you, I'd go see them.
> >
> > Mark
> > Mark S. Szantyr
> > 80 Bicknell Road #9
> > Ashford, Connecticut 06278
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> > Birddog55 at charter.net
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: <Chasbarnard at aol.com>
> > To: <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:42 AM
> > Subject: [CT Birds] Why I include Trumpeter Swan on my state list
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Since the rules and reasons for non-acceptance have been  put forth, I feel
> >> that it is OK for me to make a case for acceptance of  the Trumpeter Swans.
> >> As Nick, Mark and others (all of whom  I have a lot of respect for) have
> >> previously said, this is an  individual decision anyway.
> >>
> >> I  think that it is an "apples and oranges" situation when a  native
> >> species, reoccupying a portion of it's  former range, is compared with a
> >> non-native species which never  had a presence in North America
> >> (e.g.Monk Parakeet).
> >> Trumpeter  Swans migrated from Canada (from both sides of James Bay)  to
> >> the  Chesapeake Bay area and back for thousands of years before we
> >> came along
> >> - no  one disputes that.  So what do they have to prove about their ability
> >> to adapt to the region and be self-sustaining?  They have  done it
> >> previously for thousands of years - not just 20 years.
> >>
> >> The Ontario reintroduction effort has been going on for about 20 years
> >> anyway ( I remember the Danbury bird from the mid 90's) and has  produced a
> >> self-sustaining and expanding population.
> >>
> >> Hunting pressure and lead poisoning seem to be the primary  reasons that
> >> the Eastern population was eliminated in the first place. It is not  as if
> >> they disappeared primarily due to loss of habitat or the  inability
> >> to compete
> >> against an introduced species taking over the  Trumpeter's ecological
> >> niche.  Unfortunately, Tundra Swan hunting is  apparently still
> >> legal in some
> >> states, so that could still pose  a major threat to the birds on migration.
> >> (What hunter or  birder could consistently distinguish between a
> >> flying Tundra
> >> Swan and  a flying Trumpeter Swan?)
> >>
> >> The Stratford birds appear to be "born in the wild," adult (no  mottling on
> >> the black legs) birds.  I am of the view (this is supposition)  that they
> >> were birds which most likely made the trip to the Chesapeake  region (maybe
> >> with Tundra Swans or Snow Geese) and were on the return to  Canada when the
> >> strong winds from the West pushed them over us. This  happens fairly
> >> frequently with Snow Geese and Tundra Swans. So, they came  down to rest and
> >> recover, as many birds pushed a bit off course do.
> >>
> >> Last thought: isn't it ironic that we have accepted Barnacle Goose and
> >> Pink-footed Goose, based upon their association with banded Canada
> >> Geese from
> >> Greenland (a decision which I agree with), but we don't accept a Trumpeter
> >> Swan,  which is a native North American species on the ragged  fringes of a
> >> flyway which it has used previously for thousands of  years?
> >>
> >> Charlie Barnard
> >> Stratford
> >>
> >>
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