[CT Birds] Grasshopper Sparrow - NO

Mark Szantyr birdinggeek at gmail.com
Fri Nov 11 17:54:02 EST 2011

We are a very funny group. It is fine to post messages soliciting the membership to lobby legislators to vote one way or another on a land acquisition, zoning ordinance, or other issue.  Its fine to solicit members to contact Cabela's or Pratt and Whitney about access to whats left of Rentschler Field, or to petition the DEP to allow access to state parks during and after storms but I guess its not ok to converse about issues that put one political party or personality in a bad light as it pertains to very important environmental issues. I remember a long conversation on this site about Rentschler Field and what a travesty it was and asking what could be done... Perhaps more open conversation would have had an effect at the time of the horrendous act...

All speech is political

Censorship is wrong

If you dont agree just delete, its that easy

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Mark Szantyr

On Nov 11, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Roy Harvey <rmharvey at snet.net> wrote:

> However much subscribers to CTBirds may share some of the opinions in this discussion, it is not on topic for this board.  I don't try to stamp out every off-topic discussion that starts here, but in the 20 years I have been hanging out in various on-line discussions I have seen that political discourse is always divisive, and virtually never changes anyone's mind.
> So please consider this subject closed.
> Thanks, and good birding!
> Roy Harvey
> CTBirds list moderator
> Beacon Falls, CT
> --- On Fri, 11/11/11, David Provencher <davidprovencher at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> From: David Provencher <davidprovencher at sbcglobal.net>
>> I have deep convictions concerning environmental protection. In most of my
>> views I am a moderate, but when it comes to environmental protection and
>> conservation I am decidedly left of center. I do not view this position as
>> extreme however, I consider it "responsible." Having said that, there are
>> many venues to express the concerns recently voiced here that are more
>> appropriate than CTBirds (not the least of which is your congress person's
>> email address and phone number). The intended purpose of this list is stated
>> in the footer of every email. Ideally I would hope every person on this list
>> believes strongly in environmental protection, but CTBirds is not intended
>> to be the forum for debate of environmental policy, deplorable as it often
>> is. We should respect that many members do not want it to be a forum for
>> political debate. I also know that expressly targeting individuals by name
>> is decidedly deleterious to the future of this list and puts the moderator
>> in a potentially awkward repercussive position not of his own making. In
>> this context it doesn't matter in the least I that share very similar
>> sentiments to the ones recently stated.
>> I hope everyone will respect the "birds and birding" purpose of CTBirds, and
>> the position of the individuals who make it possible. I often tell my kids
>> that they are not defined as a person by what they say, but rather by what
>> they do. I fervently hope that everyone who believes as deeply in
>> environmental protection as I do will get actively involved in working
>> towards that end. But let's keep the focus of CTBirds more on birds and
>> birding. I believe one of the best ways to influence people to take a more
>> committed and active interest in protecting our natural world is to expand
>> their understanding of its intricacy, beauty, and fragility.
>> Dave    
>> Dave Provencher
>> Naturally New England
>> http://naturallynewengland.blogspot.com/
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