[CT Birds] More on native vs. exotic

Delia Berlin delia.berlin at gmail.com
Fri Jan 11 13:37:41 EST 2013


I agree with Tom's comments about invasives and in addition, as all other animals, humans are part of the ecosystem and therefore "natural" when aiding species dispersal. Not any less natural than wind, tsunamis and fruit and seed eaters...

Delia Berlin
Windham

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> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:03:43 -0500
> From: John Marshall <johnmarshall47 at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Crested Caracara
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> eBird has 7 reports yesterday starting at 3:45 in the afternoon. 
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> John Marshall
> Watertown
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> On Jan 11, 2013, at 6:54 AM, Mntncougar at aol.com wrote:
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>> According to Richard Crossley's Facebook page there was a Crested Caracara  
>> sighted in Cape May County yesterday. No further details given though, and 
>> I  don't know whether to believe it or not.
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>> Don Morgan
>> Coventry
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> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Caracara
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> I got several replies from out of state birders on this subject, including  
> this one. No question its real, and right in Cape May
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> Sent: 1/11/2013  7:14:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
> Subj: View from the Cape
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> Don,  here's a link with pictures.
> Yup,  guess it's real!
> Kaye
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> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:43:18 -0500
> From: Jeffery Davis <jwdjwd67 at msn.com>
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> http://cmboviewfromthecape.blogspot.com/
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> regards,
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>> From: Mntncougar at aol.com
>> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:06:09 -0500
>> To: ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org
>> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Caracara
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>> I got several replies from out of state birders on this subject, including 
>> this one. No question its real, and right in Cape May
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>> To: Mntncougar at aol.com
>> Sent: 1/11/2013 7:14:22 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
>> Subj: View from the Cape
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>> Don, here's a link with pictures.
>> Yup, guess it's real!
>> Kaye
>> http://cmboviewfromthecape.blogspot.com/ 
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> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:47:22 +0000
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> Subject: [CT Birds] New Haven Scamp, Buddies and....
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> Another tagged Gull (Mass. Program) at West Haven boat ramp.
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> 50 Ruddies and 150 Scaup ( mostly LESSER) Behind the Fish Tale (formaly Leons) 
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> Subject: [CT Birds] Correction- SCAUP and RUDDIES
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> From: kmueller at ntplx.net
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> Subject: [CT Birds] ICELAND GULL continues......
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> Circle Beach in Madison
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> K Mueller
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> From: Steve Morytko <smorytko at yahoo.com>
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> Subject: [CT Birds] Hammo dredging
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> I was at Hammonasset Beach SP yesterday and it seems they've started a sand dredging operation from the bay to the beach a few hundred yards west of Meigs Point. You now have to drive over a gravel-covered pipe that runs N/S thru the marsh from the beach to the bay area. I'm not sure they've actually started yet. My source was a park ranger - I asked what the culvert was about. I had been wondering what those pipes (8-12" diameter were doing adjacent to the road in earlier visits.
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> Steve Morytko
> Ashford, CT
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> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:13:13 -0500
> From: Mark Szantyr <birdinggeek at gmail.com>
> To: CTbird <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org>
> Subject: [CT Birds] Monks at Hammo
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> I received a very prompt and codial reply to my question about the disappearance of the Monk Parakeets at Hammo. It was explained that the state did not do it. That they were damaged in recent storms and they dispersed on their own. I know for sure that they were gone prior to the recent storms of the past two years. That they are not in the area sounds atypical to me, that they have not tried again there is curious. Anyway, i accept the state at its word...and am moving on
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> Sic Semper Tyrannis
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> Mark 
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> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:14:26 -0500
> From: Mark Szantyr <birdinggeek at gmail.com>
> To: Mark Szantyr <birdinggeek at gmail.com>
> Cc: CTbird <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org>
> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Monks at Hammo
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> I hate iphones... I have fat fingers. 
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> Mark (typos are us)
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> On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:13 AM, Mark Szantyr <birdinggeek at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I received a very prompt and codial reply to my question about the disappearance of the Monk Parakeets at Hammo. It was explained that the state did not do it. That they were damaged in recent storms and they dispersed on their own. I know for sure that they were gone prior to the recent storms of the past two years. That they are not in the area sounds atypical to me, that they have not tried again there is curious. Anyway, i accept the state at its word...and am moving on
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>> Sic Semper Tyrannis
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>> Mark 
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> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:30:13 -0500
> From: Tom de Boor <tomdb2 at aol.com>
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> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Invasiveds
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> My 2 cents...man's impact on the environment has become so pervasive that
> it has become increasingly difficult and artificial to try to distinguish
> between the birds that we 'introduced' and the ones that got to where they
> are now 'on their own.'  For example, unless someone released a Monk
> Parakeet into your yard, it took the initiative to fly there from
> somewhere. For me, that's tough to distinguish from a Cardinal that's
> only here because of food supplies we created and climate change we
> generated. Even the original out-of-range journeys of many of these birds
> are becoming increasingly human-generated. To me, the smart thing to do as
> birders is to treat invasives as we do any other birds, in terms of
> counting and reporting them, and in this way fulfilling our scientific
> purpose, such as it is. After all, the trade wind of human trade that
> brings a steady stream of parrots to our shores is likely more ecologically
> relevant than a freak storm that brings a once in a century vagrant.   Of
> course, thanks to man, those freak storms are increasingly unfreak, too.
> 
> Tom de Boor
> Branford, CT
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> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:58:44 -0500
> From: James Dugan <jim at worldpeace.org>
> To: CTBirds <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org>
> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Invasiveds
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> In one aspect every species in CT that is visible to the naked eye is an invasive since the Laurentide Ice Sheet very recently subsided.
> 
> Jim Dugan
> New Milford
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> On Jan 11, 2013, at 11:30 AM, Tom de Boor wrote:
> 
>> My 2 cents...man's impact on the environment has become so pervasive that
>> it has become increasingly difficult and artificial to try to distinguish
>> between the birds that we 'introduced' and the ones that got to where they
>> are now 'on their own.'  For example, unless someone released a Monk
>> Parakeet into your yard, it took the initiative to fly there from
>> somewhere. For me, that's tough to distinguish from a Cardinal that's
>> only here because of food supplies we created and climate change we
>> generated. Even the original out-of-range journeys of many of these birds
>> are becoming increasingly human-generated. To me, the smart thing to do as
>> birders is to treat invasives as we do any other birds, in terms of
>> counting and reporting them, and in this way fulfilling our scientific
>> purpose, such as it is. After all, the trade wind of human trade that
>> brings a steady stream of parrots to our shores is likely more ecologically
>> relevant than a freak storm that brings a once in a century vagrant.   Of
>> course, thanks to man, those freak storms are increasingly unfreak, too.
>> 
>> Tom de Boor
>> Branford, CT
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