[CT Birds] Survival of Fork-tailed Flycatcher

Dan Rottino rottino at hotmail.com
Tue Dec 10 16:49:45 EST 2013


I did say if it was "obviously dying".  I am a dreamer too.  If its healthy, then leave it be.  But if on the odd chance it were found near death, then...
It seems there is no clear line on which ones are de facto saved vs the ones that are not.
Dan

On Dec 10, 2013, at 4:23 PM, kmueller at ntplx.net wrote:

> I agree with that!
> 
> I keep going back to something I have always believed and constantly say, which was also reiterated by Dave Provencher the other day. "I think it
> is a mistake to try and interpret an animal's behavior using human logic or
> human behavior patterns". Perfectly stated!
> 
> Just because we are cold doesn't mean the bird is! We look at the perceived long migration route this bird has endured and will have to repeat in reverse under harsher circumstances and our hearts sink. To us we feel it can never be accomplished now because of the cold weather. I say, why not? If there are poison ivy and other berries here in CT, than I assume they are also on Long Island, and in New Jersey, and Maryland, Virginia, Carolinas, etc! And the farther south this bird travels, the potential for bug protein in its diet also increases! I am not ready to throw in the towel just yet! In fact, I am not the least bit concerned!
> 
> Call me a dreamer......but I am not the only one! :^)
> 
> Keith Mueller
> 
> 
> Quoting "Comins, Patrick" <PCOMINS at audubon.org>:
> 
>> An injured or sick bird is one thing and an apparently healthy but off-course bird is another I'd say.
>> 
>> Patrick
>> 
>> Patrick M. Comins
>> Director of Bird Conservation
>> 
>> Audubon Connecticut
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>> Southbury, CT 06488
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>> From: CTBirds <ctbirds-bounces at lists.ctbirding.org> on behalf of Dan Rottino <rottino at hotmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:43 PM
>> To: ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org
>> Subject: Re: [CT Birds] Survival of Fork-tailed Flycatcher
>> 
>> I understand both viewpoints, but rehabbers do save owls, falcons, hawks, eagles, hummers, etc.  How do we choose which ones to save (once they are obviously dying)?
>> 
>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 3:32 PM, "Mark Szantyr" <birddog55 at charter.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> We have and I believe that, in retrospect, we were likely wrong to do it.
>>> It is always the best idea to honor the wisdom of the natural process.
>>> 
>>> It is very difficult to do this.  I struggle with this with every winter
>>> hummingbird I have the pleasure to see.  I trust that the birds know best
>>> how to be hummingbirds.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Claudia <cllongmore at cox.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> But haven't we done that previously with late hummers ?  Or am l mis-
>>>> remembering?
>>>> 
>>>> Claudia longmore
>>>> Wethersfield
>>>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark Szantyr <birdinggeek at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> At the risk of sounding cold and heartless,  that would be wrong to do. We
>>>> should not interfere. If you think shooting snowy owls is wrong, catching
>>>> flycatchers is sort of wrong too. I certainly understand the caring that is
>>>> behind this feeling, but nature is " bloody in tooth and claw".
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 10, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Katherine Kuckens <katkuckens at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
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