[CT Birds] CORRECTION Re: Long beach Iceland

kmueller at ntplx.net kmueller at ntplx.net
Thu Jan 16 17:40:59 EST 2014


The first line should have read "deservedly" not  
"deceivingly"....stupid spell check!!
Sorry!


Quoting kmueller at ntplx.net:

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> Wow, this Gull seems to be getting quite a bit of attention, and  
> deceivingly so!. If you haven't seen it, you should go down to Long  
> Beach and enjoy it; it is a lovely Gull. I first became interested  
> in this Gull last March when Donna Caporaso found it. She sent me a  
> picture of the Gull and I recognized that this Gull was "different".  
> I went down to Long Beach a few days later in the afternoon after  
> one of those horrendous storms we had. I found the Gull on the beach  
> way down beyond the jetty at the west end of the parking lot. I was  
> instantly captivated by this Gull, and spent many hours observing it  
> in March and April until it left. When it showed up again last month  
> I recognized it immediately, now a 2nd cycle.
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> Today was the eighth visit this Dec. and Jan. I had to Long Beach  
> studying this Gull. In total I have spent well over 60 hours  
> studying this one Gull up close focusing very closely on its  
> specific overall form and structure and most importantly its  
> Gestalt.....which is what I have trained myself to do for nearly 40  
> years for my art. I have a long list of field observations (and  
> nearly 20,000 pictures) for this Gull that makes me conclude that it  
> "possibly/probably" has features and influences from two species of  
> Gulls. This is why I (and a list of others) feel that it is a  
> "possible" hybrid Gull with a larger influence being Kumlien's Gull.  
> For me, avian form and function, and species traits are the backbone  
> to my work This was the basis for the book I wrote called Waterfowl  
> Concepts...Form and Function.
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> So if this Gull is a Kumlien's Gull, that's great! But I have to  
> respectfully disagree that this Gull can only be a "classic example"  
> of a Kumlien's Gull (which is a hybrid BTW). In my opinion it has  
> many characteristics that offer a possibility of it being a  
> "possible" hybrid.
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> There are no guide lines or charts that identify what hybrids should  
> look like. Hybridization may be more common than recognized because  
> hybrids may look similar to the parent species and not be recognized  
> as hybrids. When I raised wild waterfowl, hybrids happened all the  
> time. Often the fledglings looked obvious what the parent species  
> were, other times (an often in the same clutch) they would only have  
> a hint of the parent species or sometimes not at all.
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> In the end, its just an opinion.....and my opinion is that it is a  
> lovely and interesting Gull, that is quite unique. But I still  
> believe it is a "possible" hybrid.
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> Enjoy the Gull!
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> Keith Mueller
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> Quoting Greg Hanisek <ghanisek at rep-am.com>:
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>> I happened to see this gull for the first time a couple days ago,  
>> and I'd  have to agree with Julian that I don't see any reason to  
>> call it anything but kumlieni, give the variablity of that taxon.  
>> As a quick note for the many newer birders and new participants on  
>> this list, it's fine to call this an Iceland Gull, Larus  
>> glaucoides. Essentially, based on current taxonomy, all Iceland  
>> Gulls seen in our area are of the North American subspecies - Larus  
>> glaucoides kumleini (aka "Kumlien's" Gull, also an acceptable  
>> common name), breeding in eastern Arctic Canada.  The Old World  
>> subspecies of Iceland Gull, Larus glaucoides glaucoides, has never  
>> been documented in CT and has only rarely been recorded in North  
>> America.  It breeds in Greenland and winters in Europe. The NA  
>> birds (L. g. kumlieni) show varying amounts of gray in the wingtips  
>> (as does the Long Beach bird), while L. g. glaucoides has pure  
>> white wing tips.
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>> Greg Hanisek
>> Waterbury
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>> From: julian hough [mailto:jrhough1 at snet.net]
>> To: ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org [mailto:ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org]
>> Sent: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 13:13:06 -0500
>> Subject: [CT Birds] Long beach Iceland
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>> Just to reitorate to others on the list that may not be aware or be  
>> confused, that the gull that has been at Long Beach - and labelled  
>> previously by some as a "hybrid" or Glaucous Gull for the past two  
>> years is, on plumage, a straightforward 2nd-cycle Iceland Gull,  
>> albeit a large one. It is perhaps misleading, at least in my  
>> opinion, to continue to refer to this bird as a hybrid.
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>> Julian Hough
>> New Haven, CT 06519
>> www.naturescapeimages.wordpress.com
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