[CT Birds] Fish in the sound?

Mark Szantyr birdinggeek at gmail.com
Sat Aug 30 22:33:42 EDT 2014

Just a note about Osprey migration. Greg Hanisek and i spent a few summer days along the coast a few years back and became that in mid July, we had ospreys in obvious migration. If i remember correctly, the literature noted that adult females (? This is a gray memory area) move as early as July. Grag, any better recollections?


Mark Szantyr

> On Aug 30, 2014, at 9:28 PM, Larry Flynn via CTBirds <ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org> wrote:
> Hi Don,
> Nice post.
> First, from my many years of fishing, bunker are notorious for being non-existent in one harbor to being very abundant in the next harbor over.
> An example of that is that at any giving time there may be few bunker in Norwalk Harbor yet Stamford and Bridgeport Harbors are loaded with these fish.
> Plus certainly there are cyclical years and cycles for the menhaden and other fish specie population in LIS.
> This year at the present time the number of bunker around Norwalk Harbor are possibly the largest seen in decades.   
> "Every Osprey has a fish..."
> In other years it may be New Haven, Milford, Branford or other harbors that hold bunker..at any giving time
> Back in the early 90's I went to Branford from Norwalk by boat because that was the closest place to find bunker for the WICC Bluefish contest, there were no bunker from Greenwich to New Haven, Branford was the spot. We fished outside that harbor and had over 100 bluefish, of course non of them make the weight !@#$
> You said that last year "it was widely known that  there 
> were few if any baitfish in the sound"
> I recall that thread was mostly about very small baitfish that terns would feed on, not bunker, I think it was a tern issue at that time.
> I also believe the the North Shore of LI had ton's of tern food fish at the same time.
> What I am trying to show is that fish species move from here to there in a heartbeat, is there is a total lack any certain forage fish in LIS, I don't know? 
> It's cool to check out the DEEP trawl data, they have all that stuff nailed down.
> As far as Osprey migration, Bob Bierregaard's Website,
> www.ospreytrax.com is awesome.
> He has many osprey fitted with satellite and cell tower transmitters from the New England area, a few are very close to us.
> Click on Osprey Pages, then interactive maps, then 2014.
> He has been working with ospreys since the early 70's  and I would like to add one of his recent quotes...
> "It seems the start of fall migration is not as similar from one year to the next for an individual bird as is the start of spring migration. Birds in the fall are in no real hurry to get south, so they are more likely to wait for just the right weather--a nice strong wind out of the north--in the fall than in the spring. In the spring, they're in a rush to get home to make sure no usurper tries to take over their territory, and I don't think they get big weather systems moving in with strong winds out of the south to urge them on. So I think the northbound trip starts with some combination of hormone levels rising and an internal clock telling them it time to get back to the breeding grounds."
> What is this "normal" that you talk about? I'd bet that "normal data" doesn't go back very many decades, but rather is forever evolving and will continue to change as time moves on.
> Hopefully for the better!
> Sincerely,
> Larry Flynn
> Norwalk CT.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Don Morgan via CTBirds 
> Date: Saturday, August 30, 2014 5:56 pm
> Subject: [CT Birds] Fish in the sound?
> To: ctbirds at lists.ctbirding.org
>> I noticed that, while there were lots of Osprey circling 
>> Lighthouse point 
>> on Thursday, we only saw one carrying a fish. In past years, 
>> sometimes 
>> every bird we saw would have a fish. I also had half a dozen 
>> Osprey way up high 
>> like the Eagles we saw. the ones I saw seemed to end up turning 
>> and 
>> circling back, but it isn't normal for them to be up that high, 
>> although the 
>> strong NW wind may have played a part in that. 
>> I notice that Dana had three Osprey migrating on Friday, and 
>> Quaker Ridge 
>> reported 15 or so. This is so early it's almost unheard of. 
>> Last year in 
>> the first week of September we also noticed that the birds 
>> seemed to be 
>> heading out already, and by the end of the month there were 
>> almost none left. 
>> Normally that's when they start leaving. But it was widely known 
>> that there 
>> were few if any baitfish in the sound and almost none of the 
>> Osprey we saw 
>> ever had fish. When they did it was likely as not a flounder, 
>> rather than 
>> the usual menhaden.
>> So, I would like to know if any of you that spend time boating 
>> on the 
>> sound, fishing or otherwise, have any impression of the current 
>> situation with 
>> baitfish. I'm afraid it could be another early migration for the 
>> Osprey 
>> again if the supply is low.
>> Don Morgan, Coventry
>> mntncougar at aol.com
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