[CT Birds] Technical question on bird evolution
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Sat Apr 18 11:31:37 EDT 2015
Very informative and interesting. I still wish that my college anat class was taught like s forensics class or like your message - much more interesting than learning a bunch of facts with no convections.
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> On Apr 18, 2015, at 11:20 AM, Jacob Musser <jacob.musser at yale.edu> wrote:
> Great question. I am an evolutionary ornithology grad student and have some insight on this. Raptors are not the most primitive group. Actually, the word primitive must be used very carefuly, because all living birds have had exactly the same amount of time to evolve from their common ancestor. As lineages split off from each other, changes occur in one lineage and not another, or one part of the organism (say coloration on the head) but not another part. In fact, most bird species are a mixture of primitive (ancestral) traits and new derived traits. So, no single bird species or group represents the primitive condition. However, we can make inferences about what the ancestor may have looked like by constructing evolutionary trees of living and fossil taxa. If a particular trait is found in a series of closely related lineages we can infer that their common ancestor probably had that trait (because it is more parsimonious to assume the trait evolved once than many times independently in each lineage). Returning to the case of raptors, most raptorial traits are likely highly derived within the bird tree and are not ancestral traits that were found in the common ancestor of birds. Its difficult to know exactly what the ancestor of all living birds was like, but it was probably a terrestrial bird, and it was most likely not tearing flesh and eating meat.
> In regards to the dinosaurian origins of birds, all living birds are descendents of a non-avian dinosaur ancestor (and no living bird is more dinosaur then another). I use the term non-avian dinosaurs because birds are still dinosaurs. This is because birds are nested deeply within the dinosaur tree. So, even though birds have a number of highly derived characteristics, they are still dinosaurs (a species does not stop being a member of its family just because it looks different). In fact, we actually run into trouble if we talk about dinosaurs and birds as separate groups. This is because some non-avian dinosaurs are more closely related to birds then they are to other non-avian dinosaurs. For instance, members of the genus Tyrannosaurus had feathers, whereas Hadrosaurs (Duck-billed Dinosaurs), likely didn't. This isn't a surprise if you look at the dinosaur evolutionary tree because Tyrannosaurs are more closely related to birds then they are to Hadrosaurs.
> Here is a webpage that depicts some of the relationships among dinosaurs: http://palaeos.com/vertebrates/theropoda/dinosaurs-birds.html
> Hope this was useful!
> All the best,
>> On 4/18/15 10:15 AM, Marty via CTBirds wrote:
>> I just watched an episode of Wild Kratts on PBS about raptors. The show stated that raptors are direct descendants of dinosaurs due to their characteristics - nothing new there.
>> My question is - Are raptors the most primitive 'group' of birds and did other groups branched off of them?
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