R
rodgibbons@mindspring.com
Sat, Sep 9, 2006 6:10 AM
(Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer. "Danger, Will Robinson...Danger!")
Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats (Glacier Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from Grahame Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski) of the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a 3-minute video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver, BC about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North American debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame will be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
www.aviadesign.com/MC29
After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial the MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and cons -- feel free to contact me off-line.
Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
PRO:
(1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing, with actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat is ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or "down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
(2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards) is about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The Volvo diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost less, and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with a cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
(3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this pocket cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and head design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal cruising a struggle either.
(4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more than a porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
(5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or up to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal cruise.
(6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end than a queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that compartment. Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to spare.
(7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
(8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a surprisingly well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
(9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been aboard. It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing" whatsoever. I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes of low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
CON:
(1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside, but inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield, port and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no wiper system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if that were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add "drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great success, on their goggles.)
(2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping the beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many American owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go. Instead, I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for inexpensive permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built, and I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the trailering of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
(3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench seat isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to sit there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat, across from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something that would be good to see as standard.
(4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4 adults, primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also would make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and pleasant side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those seated at the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional (probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side of the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
(5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional interior handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care of, and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether standard or optional.
(6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single, aft-center mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the aforementioned video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft sliding door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a clean appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably opt for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide apart, they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering capability. And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But yes, there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much better battery charging.)
(7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite fuel-miserly; the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120 miles. I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel capacity is now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely recommend ordering that increased tankage.
(8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard this boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable beam, and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a few degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have noticed it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds one-half the length of the boat.
Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most (or even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines, live-bait wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose to CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented cats.)
If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed expressly for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the few cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not withstanding) of the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large owner's berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment, etc. -- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new, pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an under-30' power cat.
And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an unusually extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning, electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact, the list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger cats costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the engine package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this boat. Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given its advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf in sheep's clothing."
Rod Gibbons
founder: Cruising Cats USA
Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
(Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer. "Danger, Will Robinson...Danger!")
Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats (Glacier Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from Grahame Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski) of the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a 3-minute video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver, BC about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North American debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame will be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
www.aviadesign.com/MC29
After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial the MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and cons -- feel free to contact me off-line.
Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
PRO:
(1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing, with actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat is ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or "down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
(2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards) is about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The Volvo diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost less, and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with a cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
(3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this pocket cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and head design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal cruising a struggle either.
(4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more than a porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
(5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or up to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal cruise.
(6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end than a queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that compartment. Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to spare.
(7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
(8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a surprisingly well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
(9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been aboard. It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing" whatsoever. I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes of low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
CON:
(1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside, but inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield, port and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no wiper system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if that were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add "drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great success, on their goggles.)
(2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping the beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many American owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go. Instead, I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for inexpensive permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built, and I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the trailering of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
(3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench seat isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to sit there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat, across from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something that would be good to see as standard.
(4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4 adults, primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also would make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and pleasant side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those seated at the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional (probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side of the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
(5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional interior handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care of, and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether standard or optional.
(6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single, aft-center mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the aforementioned video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft sliding door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a clean appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably opt for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide apart, they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering capability. And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But yes, there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much better battery charging.)
(7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite fuel-miserly; the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120 miles. I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel capacity is now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely recommend ordering that increased tankage.
(8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard this boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable beam, and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a few degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have noticed it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds one-half the length of the boat.
Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most (or even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines, live-bait wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose to CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented cats.)
If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed expressly for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the few cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not withstanding) of the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large owner's berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment, etc. -- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new, pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an under-30' power cat.
And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an unusually extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning, electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact, the list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger cats costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the engine package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this boat. Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given its advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf in sheep's clothing."
Rod Gibbons
founder: Cruising Cats USA
Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
DC
D C *Mac* Macdonald
Sat, Sep 9, 2006 8:41 PM
Maybe it's my imagination (video is prett low resolution)
but the waves don't seem very big, but the boat seems
to be porpoising quite a big. Also, there seems to be
quite a bit of roll when the boat is back in the harbor
toward the end of the video.
One other thing to mention is that the URL is definitely
"case-sensitive."
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Grand Lake - Oklahoma
Potential "catter"
----Original Message Follows----
From: rodgibbons@mindspring.com
Reply-To: rodgibbons@mindspring.com,Power Catamaran List
power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
(Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer. "Danger,
Will Robinson...Danger!")
Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats (Glacier
Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from Grahame
Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski) of
the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a 3-minute
video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver, BC
about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North American
debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with
private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame will
be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find
interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
www.aviadesign.com/MC29
After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial the
MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and cons --
feel free to contact me off-line.
Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
PRO:
(1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen
under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently
available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing, with
actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat is
ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or
"down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
(2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance
cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards) is
about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The Volvo
diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost less,
and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with a
cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
(3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this pocket
cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and head
design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal cruising
a struggle either.
(4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and
shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR
difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more than a
porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
(5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a
Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or up
to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal cruise.
(6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end than a
queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that compartment.
Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to spare.
(7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
(8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a surprisingly
well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
(9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been aboard.
It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly
reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the
exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing" whatsoever.
I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes of
low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
CON:
(1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside, but
inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield, port
and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no wiper
system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if that
were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add
"drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great success, on
their goggles.)
(2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping the
beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many American
owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet
reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go. Instead,
I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for inexpensive
permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always
providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built, and
I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the trailering
of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
(3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench seat
isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to sit
there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat, across
from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The
designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something that
would be good to see as standard.
(4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4 adults,
primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also would
make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no
visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and pleasant
side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those seated at
the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional
(probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side of
the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
(5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional interior
handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care of,
and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether standard
or optional.
(6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single, aft-center
mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the aforementioned
video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft sliding
door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a clean
appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably opt
for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide apart,
they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering capability.
And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But yes,
there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much
larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much better
battery charging.)
(7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite fuel-miserly;
the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120 miles.
I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel capacity is
now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely
recommend ordering that increased tankage.
(8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard this
boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable beam,
and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an
occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a few
degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have noticed
it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds
one-half the length of the boat.
Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most (or
even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or
Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include
rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines, live-bait
wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose to
CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented cats.)
If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed expressly
for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the few
cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that
immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of
finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not withstanding) of
the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large owner's
berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment, etc.
-- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new,
pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an
under-30' power cat.
And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an unusually
extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning,
electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact, the
list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger cats
costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the engine
package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this boat.
Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given its
advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf in
sheep's clothing."
Rod Gibbons
founder: Cruising Cats USA
Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Maybe it's my imagination (video is prett low resolution)
but the waves don't seem very big, but the boat seems
to be porpoising quite a big. Also, there seems to be
quite a bit of roll when the boat is back in the harbor
toward the end of the video.
One other thing to mention is that the URL is definitely
"case-sensitive."
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Grand Lake - Oklahoma
Potential "catter"
----Original Message Follows----
From: rodgibbons@mindspring.com
Reply-To: rodgibbons@mindspring.com,Power Catamaran List
<power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
(Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer. "Danger,
Will Robinson...Danger!")
Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats (Glacier
Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from Grahame
Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski) of
the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a 3-minute
video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver, BC
about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North American
debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with
private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame will
be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find
interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
www.aviadesign.com/MC29
After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial the
MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and cons --
feel free to contact me off-line.
Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
PRO:
(1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen
under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently
available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing, with
actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat is
ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or
"down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
(2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance
cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards) is
about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The Volvo
diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost less,
and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with a
cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
(3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this pocket
cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and head
design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal cruising
a struggle either.
(4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and
shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR
difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more than a
porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
(5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a
Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or up
to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal cruise.
(6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end than a
queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that compartment.
Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to spare.
(7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
(8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a surprisingly
well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
(9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been aboard.
It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly
reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the
exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing" whatsoever.
I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes of
low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
CON:
(1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside, but
inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield, port
and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no wiper
system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if that
were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add
"drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great success, on
their goggles.)
(2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping the
beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many American
owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet
reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go. Instead,
I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for inexpensive
permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always
providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built, and
I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the trailering
of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
(3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench seat
isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to sit
there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat, across
from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The
designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something that
would be good to see as standard.
(4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4 adults,
primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also would
make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no
visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and pleasant
side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those seated at
the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional
(probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side of
the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
(5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional interior
handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care of,
and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether standard
or optional.
(6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single, aft-center
mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the aforementioned
video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft sliding
door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a clean
appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably opt
for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide apart,
they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering capability.
And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But yes,
there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much
larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much better
battery charging.)
(7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite fuel-miserly;
the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120 miles.
I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel capacity is
now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely
recommend ordering that increased tankage.
(8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard this
boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable beam,
and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an
occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a few
degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have noticed
it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds
one-half the length of the boat.
Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most (or
even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or
Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include
rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines, live-bait
wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose to
CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented cats.)
If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed expressly
for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the few
cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that
immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of
finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not withstanding) of
the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large owner's
berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment, etc.
-- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new,
pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an
under-30' power cat.
And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an unusually
extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning,
electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact, the
list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger cats
costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the engine
package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this boat.
Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given its
advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf in
sheep's clothing."
Rod Gibbons
founder: Cruising Cats USA
Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
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GS
Greg Schoenberg
Sat, Sep 9, 2006 9:09 PM
I had the same thoughts. Did you notice how it rolled when it was being
docked?
Perhaps a wider beam is in order.
Other than that, it is a nice looking boat. If it's priced around 100k, it
will likely give GB and C-Dory some serious competition.
-Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "D C Mac Macdonald" k2gkk@hotmail.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
Maybe it's my imagination (video is prett low resolution)
but the waves don't seem very big, but the boat seems
to be porpoising quite a big. Also, there seems to be
quite a bit of roll when the boat is back in the harbor
toward the end of the video.
One other thing to mention is that the URL is definitely
"case-sensitive."
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Grand Lake - Oklahoma
Potential "catter"
----Original Message Follows----
From: rodgibbons@mindspring.com
Reply-To: rodgibbons@mindspring.com,Power Catamaran List
power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
(Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer. "Danger,
Will Robinson...Danger!")
Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats
Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from Grahame
Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski) of
the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a 3-minute
video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver, BC
about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North American
debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with
private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame will
be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find
interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
www.aviadesign.com/MC29
After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial the
MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and
feel free to contact me off-line.
Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
PRO:
(1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen
under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently
available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing, with
actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat is
ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or
"down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
(2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance
cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards) is
about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The
diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost less,
and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with a
cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
(3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this
cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and head
design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal
a struggle either.
(4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and
shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR
difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more than a
porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
(5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a
Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or up
to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal cruise.
(6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end than
queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that
Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to spare.
(7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
(8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a surprisingly
well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
(9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been
It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly
reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the
exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing"
I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes of
low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
CON:
(1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside,
inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield,
and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no wiper
system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if that
were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add
"drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great success,
their goggles.)
(2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping the
beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many
owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet
reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go.
I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for inexpensive
permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always
providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built,
I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the
of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
(3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench
isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to sit
there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat, across
from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The
designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something that
would be good to see as standard.
(4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4 adults,
primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also
make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no
visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and pleasant
side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those seated
the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional
(probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side of
the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
(5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional interior
handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care of,
and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether
or optional.
(6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single,
mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the aforementioned
video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft sliding
door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a clean
appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably
for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide apart,
they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering capability.
And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But yes,
there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much
larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much better
battery charging.)
(7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite fuel-miserly;
the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120
I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel capacity
now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely
recommend ordering that increased tankage.
(8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard
boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable beam,
and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an
occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a few
degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have
it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds
one-half the length of the boat.
Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most
even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or
Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include
rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines, live-bait
wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose to
CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented cats.)
If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed
for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the few
cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that
immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of
finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not withstanding)
the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large
berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment, etc.
-- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new,
pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an
under-30' power cat.
And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an unusually
extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning,
electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact,
list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger
costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the engine
package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this boat.
Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given its
advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf in
sheep's clothing."
Rod Gibbons
founder: Cruising Cats USA
Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
I had the same thoughts. Did you notice how it rolled when it was being
docked?
Perhaps a wider beam is in order.
Other than that, it is a nice looking boat. If it's priced around 100k, it
will likely give GB and C-Dory some serious competition.
-Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
> Maybe it's my imagination (video is prett low resolution)
> but the waves don't seem very big, but the boat seems
> to be porpoising quite a big. Also, there seems to be
> quite a bit of roll when the boat is back in the harbor
> toward the end of the video.
>
> One other thing to mention is that the URL is definitely
> "case-sensitive."
>
>
> D C "Mac" Macdonald
> Grand Lake - Oklahoma
> Potential "catter"
>
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: rodgibbons@mindspring.com
> Reply-To: rodgibbons@mindspring.com,Power Catamaran List
> <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
> To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
> Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
> Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
>
> (Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer. "Danger,
> Will Robinson...Danger!")
>
> Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats
(Glacier
> Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
>
> For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from Grahame
> Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski) of
> the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a 3-minute
> video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
>
> The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver, BC
> about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North American
> debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with
> private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame will
> be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
>
> For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find
> interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
>
> www.aviadesign.com/MC29
>
> After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
>
> I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial the
> MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and
cons --
> feel free to contact me off-line.
>
> Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
>
> PRO:
>
> (1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen
> under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently
> available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing, with
> actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat is
> ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or
> "down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
>
> (2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance
> cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards) is
> about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The
Volvo
> diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost less,
> and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with a
> cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
>
> (3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this
pocket
> cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and head
> design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal
cruising
> a struggle either.
>
> (4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and
> shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR
> difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more than a
> porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
>
> (5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a
> Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or up
> to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal cruise.
>
> (6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end than
a
> queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that
compartment.
> Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to spare.
>
> (7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
>
> (8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a surprisingly
> well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
>
> (9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been
aboard.
> It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly
> reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the
> exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing"
whatsoever.
> I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes of
> low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
>
>
> CON:
>
> (1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside,
but
> inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield,
port
> and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no wiper
> system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if that
> were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add
> "drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great success,
on
> their goggles.)
>
> (2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping the
> beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many
American
> owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet
> reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go.
Instead,
> I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for inexpensive
> permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always
> providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built,
and
> I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the
trailering
> of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
>
> (3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench
seat
> isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to sit
> there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat, across
> from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The
> designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something that
> would be good to see as standard.
>
> (4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4 adults,
> primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also
would
> make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no
> visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and pleasant
> side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those seated
at
> the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional
> (probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side of
> the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
>
> (5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional interior
> handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care of,
> and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether
standard
> or optional.
>
> (6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single,
aft-center
> mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the aforementioned
> video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft sliding
> door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a clean
> appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably
opt
> for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide apart,
> they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering capability.
> And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But yes,
> there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much
> larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much better
> battery charging.)
>
> (7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite fuel-miserly;
> the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120
miles.
> I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel capacity
is
> now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely
> recommend ordering that increased tankage.
>
> (8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard
this
> boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable beam,
> and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an
> occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a few
> degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have
noticed
> it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds
> one-half the length of the boat.
>
>
> Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most
(or
> even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or
> Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include
> rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines, live-bait
> wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose to
> CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented cats.)
>
> If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed
expressly
> for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the few
> cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that
> immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of
> finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not withstanding)
of
> the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large
owner's
> berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment, etc.
> -- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new,
> pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an
> under-30' power cat.
>
> And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an unusually
> extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning,
> electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact,
the
> list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger
cats
> costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the engine
> package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
>
> Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this boat.
> Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given its
> advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf in
> sheep's clothing."
>
> Rod Gibbons
> founder: Cruising Cats USA
> Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
> _______________________________________________
> Power-Catamaran Mailing List
> _______________________________________________
> Power-Catamaran Mailing List
M
motorcat
Mon, Sep 11, 2006 1:24 PM
This was taken at Dundarave, where there no break water protection ,just
public dock (no overnight).
The location is subject to small swells even on a calm day since it is open
for 30 miles.
Mountains behind MC 29 in the picture are on small islands and Vancouver
Island -40/50 miles away.
Any object even bigger boats would broll b in those calm conditions.
Jerry Kostanski
MC 30 & 29 Designer
---- WiadomoED Oryginalna ----
Od: "Greg Schoenberg" dene@ipns.com
Do: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Data: 9 wrzeEnia 2006 23:09
Temat: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
I had the same thoughts. Did you notice how it rolled when it was being
docked?
Perhaps a wider beam is in order.
Other than that, it is a nice looking boat. If it's priced around 100k, it
will likely give GB and C-Dory some serious competition.
-Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "D C Mac Macdonald" k2gkk@hotmail.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
Maybe it's my imagination (video is prett low resolution)
but the waves don't seem very big, but the boat seems
to be porpoising quite a big. Also, there seems to be
quite a bit of roll when the boat is back in the harbor
toward the end of the video.
One other thing to mention is that the URL is definitely
"case-sensitive."
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Grand Lake - Oklahoma
Potential "catter"
----Original Message Follows----
From: rodgibbons@mindspring.com
Reply-To: rodgibbons@mindspring.com,Power Catamaran List
power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
(Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer. "Danger,
Will Robinson...Danger!")
Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats
Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from
Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski) of
the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a 3-minute
video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver, BC
about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North
debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with
private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame
be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find
interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
www.aviadesign.com/MC29
After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial the
MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and
feel free to contact me off-line.
Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
PRO:
(1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen
under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently
available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing, with
actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat
ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or
"down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
(2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance
cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards)
about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The
diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost less,
and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with a
cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
(3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this
cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and head
design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal
a struggle either.
(4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and
shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR
difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more than
porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
(5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a
Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or
to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal
(6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end than
queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that
Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to
(7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
(8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a
well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
(9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been
It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly
reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the
exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing"
I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes
low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
CON:
(1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside,
inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield,
and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no wiper
system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if that
were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add
"drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great success,
their goggles.)
(2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping
beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many
owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet
reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go.
I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for inexpensive
permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always
providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built,
I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the
of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
(3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench
isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to sit
there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat, across
from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The
designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something
would be good to see as standard.
(4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4
primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also
make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no
visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and pleasant
side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those seated
the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional
(probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side
the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
(5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional interior
handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care
and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether
or optional.
(6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single,
mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the aforementioned
video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft sliding
door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a clean
appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably
for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide
they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering
And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But yes,
there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much
larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much
battery charging.)
(7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite
the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120
I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel capacity
now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely
recommend ordering that increased tankage.
(8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard
boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable
and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an
occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a few
degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have
it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds
one-half the length of the boat.
Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most
even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or
Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include
rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines,
wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose to
CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented
If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed
for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the
cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that
immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of
finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not withstanding)
the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large
berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment,
-- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new,
pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an
under-30' power cat.
And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an unusually
extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning,
electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact,
list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger
costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the engine
package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this
Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given
advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf in
sheep's clothing."
Rod Gibbons
founder: Cruising Cats USA
Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
This was taken at Dundarave, where there no break water protection ,just
public dock (no overnight).
The location is subject to small swells even on a calm day since it is open
for 30 miles.
Mountains behind MC 29 in the picture are on small islands and Vancouver
Island -40/50 miles away.
Any object even bigger boats would broll b in those calm conditions.
Jerry Kostanski
MC 30 & 29 Designer
---- WiadomoED Oryginalna ----
Od: "Greg Schoenberg" <dene@ipns.com>
Do: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
Data: 9 wrzeEnia 2006 23:09
Temat: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
> I had the same thoughts. Did you notice how it rolled when it was being
> docked?
>
> Perhaps a wider beam is in order.
>
> Other than that, it is a nice looking boat. If it's priced around 100k, it
> will likely give GB and C-Dory some serious competition.
>
> -Greg
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
> To: <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
>
>
> > Maybe it's my imagination (video is prett low resolution)
> > but the waves don't seem very big, but the boat seems
> > to be porpoising quite a big. Also, there seems to be
> > quite a bit of roll when the boat is back in the harbor
> > toward the end of the video.
> >
> > One other thing to mention is that the URL is definitely
> > "case-sensitive."
> >
> >
> > D C "Mac" Macdonald
> > Grand Lake - Oklahoma
> > Potential "catter"
> >
> >
> > ----Original Message Follows----
> > From: rodgibbons@mindspring.com
> > Reply-To: rodgibbons@mindspring.com,Power Catamaran List
> > <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
> > To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
> > Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
> > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
> >
> > (Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer. "Danger,
> > Will Robinson...Danger!")
> >
> > Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats
> (Glacier
> > Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
> >
> > For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from
Grahame
> > Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski) of
> > the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a 3-minute
> > video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
> >
> > The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver, BC
> > about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North
American
> > debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with
> > private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame
will
> > be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
> >
> > For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find
> > interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
> >
> > www.aviadesign.com/MC29
> >
> > After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
> >
> > I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial the
> > MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and
> cons --
> > feel free to contact me off-line.
> >
> > Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
> >
> > PRO:
> >
> > (1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen
> > under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently
> > available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing, with
> > actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat
is
> > ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or
> > "down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
> >
> > (2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance
> > cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards)
is
> > about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The
> Volvo
> > diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost less,
> > and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with a
> > cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
> >
> > (3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this
> pocket
> > cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and head
> > design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal
> cruising
> > a struggle either.
> >
> > (4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and
> > shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR
> > difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more than
a
> > porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
> >
> > (5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a
> > Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or
up
> > to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal
cruise.
> >
> > (6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end than
> a
> > queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that
> compartment.
> > Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to
spare.
> >
> > (7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
> >
> > (8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a
surprisingly
> > well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
> >
> > (9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been
> aboard.
> > It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly
> > reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the
> > exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing"
> whatsoever.
> > I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes
of
> > low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
> >
> >
> > CON:
> >
> > (1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside,
> but
> > inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield,
> port
> > and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no wiper
> > system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if that
> > were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add
> > "drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great success,
> on
> > their goggles.)
> >
> > (2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping
the
> > beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many
> American
> > owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet
> > reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go.
> Instead,
> > I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for inexpensive
> > permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always
> > providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built,
> and
> > I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the
> trailering
> > of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
> >
> > (3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench
> seat
> > isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to sit
> > there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat, across
> > from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The
> > designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something
that
> > would be good to see as standard.
> >
> > (4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4
adults,
> > primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also
> would
> > make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no
> > visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and pleasant
> > side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those seated
> at
> > the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional
> > (probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side
of
> > the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
> >
> > (5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional interior
> > handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care
of,
> > and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether
> standard
> > or optional.
> >
> > (6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single,
> aft-center
> > mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the aforementioned
> > video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft sliding
> > door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a clean
> > appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably
> opt
> > for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide
apart,
> > they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering
capability.
> > And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But yes,
> > there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much
> > larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much
better
> > battery charging.)
> >
> > (7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite
fuel-miserly;
> > the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120
> miles.
> > I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel capacity
> is
> > now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely
> > recommend ordering that increased tankage.
> >
> > (8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard
> this
> > boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable
beam,
> > and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an
> > occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a few
> > degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have
> noticed
> > it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds
> > one-half the length of the boat.
> >
> >
> > Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most
> (or
> > even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or
> > Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include
> > rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines,
live-bait
> > wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose to
> > CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented
cats.)
> >
> > If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed
> expressly
> > for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the
few
> > cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that
> > immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of
> > finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not withstanding)
> of
> > the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large
> owner's
> > berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment,
etc.
> > -- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new,
> > pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an
> > under-30' power cat.
> >
> > And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an unusually
> > extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning,
> > electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact,
> the
> > list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger
> cats
> > costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the engine
> > package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
> >
> > Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this
boat.
> > Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given
its
> > advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf in
> > sheep's clothing."
> >
> > Rod Gibbons
> > founder: Cruising Cats USA
> > Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
> > _______________________________________________
> > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
> > _______________________________________________
> > Power-Catamaran Mailing List
> _______________________________________________
> Power-Catamaran Mailing List
CM
corbin moore
Mon, Sep 11, 2006 5:07 PM
This is merely a monohull with sponsons glued on. Doesn't get uglier than
that! You guys need a good hobby!
----- Original Message -----
From: "motorcat" motorcat@o2.pl
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
This was taken at Dundarave, where there no break water protection ,just
public dock (no overnight).
The location is subject to small swells even on a calm day since it is
open
for 30 miles.
Mountains behind MC 29 in the picture are on small islands and Vancouver
Island -40/50 miles away.
Any object even bigger boats would broll b in those calm conditions.
Jerry Kostanski
MC 30 & 29 Designer
---- WiadomoED Oryginalna ----
Od: "Greg Schoenberg" dene@ipns.com
Do: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Data: 9 wrzeEnia 2006 23:09
Temat: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
I had the same thoughts. Did you notice how it rolled when it was being
docked?
Perhaps a wider beam is in order.
Other than that, it is a nice looking boat. If it's priced around 100k,
it
will likely give GB and C-Dory some serious competition.
-Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "D C Mac Macdonald" k2gkk@hotmail.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
Maybe it's my imagination (video is prett low resolution)
but the waves don't seem very big, but the boat seems
to be porpoising quite a big. Also, there seems to be
quite a bit of roll when the boat is back in the harbor
toward the end of the video.
One other thing to mention is that the URL is definitely
"case-sensitive."
D C "Mac" Macdonald
Grand Lake - Oklahoma
Potential "catter"
----Original Message Follows----
From: rodgibbons@mindspring.com
Reply-To: rodgibbons@mindspring.com,Power Catamaran List
power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
(Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer.
"Danger,
Will Robinson...Danger!")
Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats
Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from
Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski)
of
the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a
3-minute
video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver,
BC
about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North
debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with
private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame
be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find
interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
www.aviadesign.com/MC29
After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial
the
MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and
feel free to contact me off-line.
Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
PRO:
(1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen
under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently
available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing,
with
actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat
ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or
"down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
(2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance
cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards)
about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The
diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost
less,
and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with
a
cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
(3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this
cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and
head
design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal
a struggle either.
(4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and
shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR
difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more
than
porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
(5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a
Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or
to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal
(6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end
than
queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that
Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to
(7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
(8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a
well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
(9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been
It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly
reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the
exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing"
I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes
low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
CON:
(1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside,
inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield,
and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no
wiper
system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if
that
were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add
"drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great
success,
their goggles.)
(2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping
beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many
owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet
reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go.
I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for
inexpensive
permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always
providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built,
I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the
of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
(3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench
isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to
sit
there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat,
across
from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The
designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something
would be good to see as standard.
(4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4
primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also
make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no
visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and
pleasant
side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those
seated
the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional
(probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side
the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
(5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional
interior
handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care
and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether
or optional.
(6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single,
mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the
aforementioned
video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft
sliding
door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a
clean
appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably
for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide
they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering
And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But
yes,
there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much
larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much
battery charging.)
(7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite
the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120
I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel
capacity
now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely
recommend ordering that increased tankage.
(8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard
boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable
and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an
occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a
few
degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have
it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds
one-half the length of the boat.
Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most
even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or
Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include
rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines,
wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose
to
CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented
If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed
for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the
cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that
immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of
finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not
withstanding)
the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large
berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment,
-- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new,
pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an
under-30' power cat.
And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an
unusually
extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning,
electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact,
list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger
costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the
engine
package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this
Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given
advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf
in
sheep's clothing."
Rod Gibbons
founder: Cruising Cats USA
Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
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This is merely a monohull with sponsons glued on. Doesn't get uglier than
that! You guys need a good hobby!
----- Original Message -----
From: "motorcat" <motorcat@o2.pl>
To: <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
> This was taken at Dundarave, where there no break water protection ,just
> public dock (no overnight).
>
> The location is subject to small swells even on a calm day since it is
> open
> for 30 miles.
>
> Mountains behind MC 29 in the picture are on small islands and Vancouver
> Island -40/50 miles away.
>
> Any object even bigger boats would broll b in those calm conditions.
>
> Jerry Kostanski
> MC 30 & 29 Designer
> ---- WiadomoED Oryginalna ----
> Od: "Greg Schoenberg" <dene@ipns.com>
> Do: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
> Data: 9 wrzeEnia 2006 23:09
> Temat: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
>
>> I had the same thoughts. Did you notice how it rolled when it was being
>> docked?
>>
>> Perhaps a wider beam is in order.
>>
>> Other than that, it is a nice looking boat. If it's priced around 100k,
>> it
>> will likely give GB and C-Dory some serious competition.
>>
>> -Greg
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "D C *Mac* Macdonald" <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
>> To: <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 1:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
>>
>>
>> > Maybe it's my imagination (video is prett low resolution)
>> > but the waves don't seem very big, but the boat seems
>> > to be porpoising quite a big. Also, there seems to be
>> > quite a bit of roll when the boat is back in the harbor
>> > toward the end of the video.
>> >
>> > One other thing to mention is that the URL is definitely
>> > "case-sensitive."
>> >
>> >
>> > D C "Mac" Macdonald
>> > Grand Lake - Oklahoma
>> > Potential "catter"
>> >
>> >
>> > ----Original Message Follows----
>> > From: rodgibbons@mindspring.com
>> > Reply-To: rodgibbons@mindspring.com,Power Catamaran List
>> > <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
>> > To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
>> > Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
>> > Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 02:10:30 -0400 (EDT)
>> >
>> > (Bias Alert: the following e-mail is from a catamaran dealer.
>> > "Danger,
>> > Will Robinson...Danger!")
>> >
>> > Occasionally a thread will appear here about trailerable power cats
>> (Glacier
>> > Bay, Twin-Vee, C-Dory, etc.)
>> >
>> > For those interested in that topic, I just received an e-mail from
> Grahame
>> > Shannon, Vancouver BC resident, and co-designer (with Jerzy Kostanski)
>> > of
>> > the MC-29 trailerable power cat. He was writing to let me know a
>> > 3-minute
>> > video of the MC-29 is now available at his web-site.
>> >
>> > The first MC-29 to arrive in North America was offloaded in Vancouver,
>> > BC
>> > about 4 weeks ago (hull #12). The MC29 will have its formal North
> American
>> > debut at the Seattle Boats-Afloat show next week (9/13 thru 9/17), with
>> > private seatrials available in the days right after the show. Grahame
> will
>> > be at the show to explain the merits of his design.
>> >
>> > For those who are unable to inspect the boat at that show, you may find
>> > interest in seeing the short video at Grahame's web-site:
>> >
>> > www.aviadesign.com/MC29
>> >
>> > After the site opens on your screen, simply click on the word "video."
>> >
>> > I visited Vancouver 2 weeks ago, specifically to inspect and seatrial
>> > the
>> > MC-29. For those interested in my evaluation of the boat -- pros and
>> cons --
>> > feel free to contact me off-line.
>> >
>> > Meanwhile, here are my primary observations.
>> >
>> > PRO:
>> >
>> > (1) The finish and styling is the most appealing of any cats I've seen
>> > under 30' in length. Probably 85% of the trailerable cats currently
>> > available in the U.S. are, first and foremost, designed for fishing,
>> > with
>> > actual cruising a distant (or even unaddressed) afterthought. This boat
> is
>> > ALL about cruising, yet one could certainly add "rocket launchers" or
>> > "down-weight" trolling hardware and enjoy fishing from it, too.
>> >
>> > (2) Performance is heavily weighted toward economic, longer distance
>> > cruising. Top speed (with the 160 HP Volvo, or twin, 4-cycle outboards)
> is
>> > about 26 to 27 MPH. Economical cruising speed is about 18 to 21. (The
>> Volvo
>> > diesel burns 4+ GPH at 20 MPH.) Twin 4-cycle, 40 HP outboards cost
>> > less,
>> > and, of course, give you less top speed, but even greater economy, with
>> > a
>> > cruising speed of 12 to 14 MPH.
>> >
>> > (3) I could easily imagine my girlfriend and me cruising aboard this
>> pocket
>> > cruiser for anywhere from 3 days to 3 weeks. And the fine galley and
>> > head
>> > design, plus large owner's berth, wouldn't make 3 months of coastal
>> cruising
>> > a struggle either.
>> >
>> > (4) Ingenious inclusion of a fully private head with toilet, sink and
>> > shower fixture, h/c pressure water, AND 6'4" headroom. What a MAJOR
>> > difference from most other under-30 cats that often provide no more
>> > than
> a
>> > porta-potty and a flimsy curtain, calling that the "head area."
>> >
>> > (5) Trailerable, so great for sneaking off to Florida to launch for a
>> > Bahamas cruise...or down to the Sea of Cortez for a winter respite...or
> up
>> > to Bellingham and the San Juan Islands....or a New England coastal
> cruise.
>> >
>> > (6) Very comfortable owner's berth forward -- it's wider at one end
>> > than
>> a
>> > queen-size bed, plus surprising amount of storage room in that
>> compartment.
>> > Storage commodius enough for a pair of BIG duffle bags with room to
> spare.
>> >
>> > (7) Excellent headroom in the salon (about 6'5")
>> >
>> > (8) Easily transited side decks, with good hand-holds, and a
> surprisingly
>> > well-designed anchor locker and anchor sprit.
>> >
>> > (9) Without exception, this is the driest power cat I've ever been
>> aboard.
>> > It soon becomes obvious this is because the odd-looking nacelle (oddly
>> > reminiscent of a "bull-frog's neck bulge") that's designed between the
>> > exceptionally slender cat hulls, thus precluding ANY "sneezing"
>> whatsoever.
>> > I didn't see a single drop of spray on the windshield during 90-minutes
> of
>> > low-and-high speed maneuvering. Now THAT is unusual in a power cat.
>> >
>> >
>> > CON:
>> >
>> > (1) Speaking of windshields, this design looks great from the outside,
>> but
>> > inside I'd like to see a narrower post at either end of the windshield,
>> port
>> > and starboard -- not much, just another inch or so. And there is no
>> > wiper
>> > system. For an upscale cruising boat like this, it would be nice if
>> > that
>> > were standard. (Although the dry ride is noted above, and one can add
>> > "drip-free" coating to the windshield like skiers use, to great
>> > success,
>> on
>> > their goggles.)
>> >
>> > (2) This is highly subjective, but I'd not have bothered with keeping
> the
>> > beam to 8'6" for no-permit trailering. This isn't a boat that many
>> American
>> > owners are going to launch and retrieve each weekend -- too easy (yet
>> > reasonably economical) to keep it berthed at a marina, ready to go.
>> Instead,
>> > I'd have liked a beam of 9'10" or so, thus still allowing for
>> > inexpensive
>> > permit-capable trailering when occasionally desired, but thus always
>> > providing an even roomier craft. Then again, the boat's European built,
>> and
>> > I believe they have more stringent rules over there regarding the
>> trailering
>> > of boats that exceed the MC-29's current beam.
>> >
>> > (3) There's good visibility from the helm seat, but the spacious bench
>> seat
>> > isn't quite big enough for today's "average size" American couple to
>> > sit
>> > there for an extended period. The boat wants a second raised seat,
>> > across
>> > from (to the port of) the current helm seat, also facing forward. The
>> > designers already have an option for that in mind, and it's something
> that
>> > would be good to see as standard.
>> >
>> > (4) When seated at the surprisingly roomy dinette (easily seats 4
> adults,
>> > primarily because the designers wanted a convertible dinette that also
>> would
>> > make into a ROOMY double berth for guests, which it does), there is no
>> > visibility out the sides of the salon. The admittedly large and
>> > pleasant
>> > side ports don't extend low enough to afford visibility for those
>> > seated
>> at
>> > the dinette. But the designers have already come up with an additional
>> > (probably optional, but if so, well worth it) side window for each side
> of
>> > the salon, which would immediately fix this situation.
>> >
>> > (5) When I was aboard the boat there was a need for additional
>> > interior
>> > handles for moving about when underway. This has since been taken care
> of,
>> > and I've seen photos of these added handholds; a good item, whether
>> standard
>> > or optional.
>> >
>> > (6) This first-in-North-America model is equipped with a single,
>> aft-center
>> > mounted Volvo D-3, 160 HP inboard diesel. (as shown in the
>> > aforementioned
>> > video) Noise is acceptable in the salon, especially with the aft
>> > sliding
>> > door closed. Plus the out-of-sight inboard installation makes for a
>> > clean
>> > appearance at the rear of the boat. But given my druthers, I'd probably
>> opt
>> > for the twin, 4-cycle 60 HP outboards. Because they're mounted wide
> apart,
>> > they could only further enhance the already decent maneuvering
> capability.
>> > And the redundancy factor of twin engines is something I like. (But
>> > yes,
>> > there's something to be said for diesel over gasoline, and for the much
>> > larger alternator that a diesel engine includes, which affords much
> better
>> > battery charging.)
>> >
>> > (7) The boat had too little fuel capacity. The D-3 is quite
> fuel-miserly;
>> > the boat gets nearly 5 MPG at 20 MPH, but the range is only about 120
>> miles.
>> > I'd like to see that doubled. I'm told that added (doubled) fuel
>> > capacity
>> is
>> > now available as an option, and may become standard. I'd definitely
>> > recommend ordering that increased tankage.
>> >
>> > (8) It's not fair to call the following a "con," but the motion aboard
>> this
>> > boat is a new sensation to me. Due to the boat's modest, trailerable
> beam,
>> > and the relatively narrow fore sections of the "amas," there is an
>> > occasional, slight, side-to-side motion. Again, it encompasses only a
>> > few
>> > degrees, and is neither uncomfortable nor offputting. And I may have
>> noticed
>> > it only because I'm so used to power cats where the beam often exceeds
>> > one-half the length of the boat.
>> >
>> >
>> > Overall observation? If I were seeking a trailerable cat for which most
>> (or
>> > even much) of my time were spent fishing, I'd get a Glacier Bay, or
>> > Twin-Vee, or World Cat -- or one of their cousins -- that include
>> > rod-holding compartments, slide-out drawers for lures and lines,
> live-bait
>> > wells, recessed/walk-around decks, etc. (Conversely, I wouldn't choose
>> > to
>> > CRUISE for more than a couple days on ANY of those fishing-oriented
> cats.)
>> >
>> > If you're seeking a truly comfortable under-30-feet cat, designed
>> expressly
>> > for extended cruising (tho' still fishing capable), this is one of the
> few
>> > cats for your very-short, final-selection list. The only other cat that
>> > immediatley comes to mind for that list is the C-Dory. But the level of
>> > finish, and the excellent ergonomics (2nd forward seat not
>> > withstanding)
>> of
>> > the MC-29 -- ergonomics including generous standing head room, large
>> owner's
>> > berth, very workable galley unit, ingenious private head compartment,
> etc.
>> > -- that combination of design and comfort is likely to make this new,
>> > pocket-cruising cat a leading choice for would-be owners seeking an
>> > under-30' power cat.
>> >
>> > And for those looking to "pimp their ride," the MC-29 offers an
>> > unusually
>> > extensive luxury-options list (gensets, heating and air-conditioning,
>> > electric anchor windlass, state-of-the-art electronics, etc.). In fact,
>> the
>> > list is more extensive than that available from some builders of larger
>> cats
>> > costing $100,000 to $200,000 more than the MC29. (Depending on the
>> > engine
>> > package selected, the MC-29 starts at about $110K to $120K.)
>> >
>> > Check out Grahame's video. You'll see another unusual aspect of this
> boat.
>> > Until it's underway, you could easily confuse it for a monohull. Given
> its
>> > advantages over a monohull, you might say that makes the MC-29 a "wolf
>> > in
>> > sheep's clothing."
>> >
>> > Rod Gibbons
>> > founder: Cruising Cats USA
>> > Seattle - Portland - SF Bay - Hawaii
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Greg Schoenberg
Mon, Sep 11, 2006 5:51 PM
This is merely a monohull with sponsons glued on. Doesn't get uglier than
that! You guys need a good hobby!
I'd characterize your sarcasm as even uglier.
-Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: "corbin moore" <corbmor@verizon.net>
To: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [PCW] trailerable MC-29 power cat
> This is merely a monohull with sponsons glued on. Doesn't get uglier than
> that! You guys need a good hobby!
I'd characterize your sarcasm as even uglier.
-Greg