I'm not worried about the votes being questioned (or at least that a
challenge would go anywhere). The de facto Officer line of cases treats
the votes/actions of a public Officer who has a defect in their title to
continue to hold the Office as though they are the actions of a de
jure (legal)
Officer. Collateral attacks are not permissible.
I would also say that I concur that the vacancy would not be self executing
and the body with authority to fill the vacancy (the Council) is the body
who would need to declare the vacancy as existing. Since it's an elected
office, the case law also suggests that due process has to be provided as
part of declaring the vacancy. Easiest course is always for the person to
simply resign rather than having to go through the process. But I know
it'll be hard for anyone on the OAMA listserve to believe that
occasionally elected officials don't take the easiest route in situations
like this.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:24 AM david davis ddavislaw@live.com wrote:
If after becoming non resident would not her vote on matters be of
questionable validity?
On June 22, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Kim@spadylaw.com wrote:
This is what I was thinking, Ray. Seems like it would have to be placed
on the agenda and the governing body would have to make a determination
that the mayor is no longer a resident of the municipality and therefore no
longer holds office.
Absent that determination, the mayor remains in office.
It’s not a certain course of action – any councilmember could ask that the
matter be placed on the agenda and the mayor would then surely be out. But
if everyone is happy, maybe that won’t happen.
Kim Spady
From: rayvincent@coxinet.net rayvincent@coxinet.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 4:29 PM
To: Lowell Peterson lpeterson@live.com; Phillip Morton <
mortonlawoffice@gmail.com>; oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Residency Requirement for Mayor
But what about this.
11 OS 8-108
Whenever a member of the municipal governing body is absent from more than
one-half of all meetings of the governing body, regular and special, held
within any period of four (4) consecutive months, he shall thereupon cease
to hold office.
Sounds like immediately, but
1996 OK AG 98
*. An elected member of a municipal governing body who is absent for more
than half of all meetings, regular and special, of that body held within
any period of four consecutive months, vacates his or her office. 2. Under
the provisions of *51 O.S.1991, § 8,
Minimum due process?
Could this be applicable to your situation?
Ray
From: Lowell Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 4:13 PM
To: Phillip Morton ; oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Residency Requirement for Mayor
*Although § 9-103 of Title 11 allows for governing body members in an
aldermanic city to relocate from one ward to another during the course of
their term without losing their seat, *
*Title 11. Cities and Towns *
§ 8-101, in reference to all municipal officers without distinction among
forms of government, requires automatic termination of office upon
relocation outside city limits.
*Title 11. Cities and Towns *
I think your mayor is no longer mayor immediately upon moving out of
town.
Lowell Peterson
22309 E. 67th Street S.
Broken Arrow, OK 74014
lpeterson@live.com lpeterson@live.com
Cell (918) 805-4090
From: Phillip Morton mortonlawoffice@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 3:47 PM
To: oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Residency Requirement for Mayor
Mayor has less than a year of her term left, and does not plan on running
again. Aldermanic form of government. The Mayor is planning to move just
outside of city limits prior to the expiration of her term. General
consensus is that the citizens and council would like the mayor to finish
out the term even if after the move. So my question is, practically how
would this work, assuming the mayor does move outside of the municipal
limits. Does the council have to make a determination that the mayor no
longer meets the statutory qualifications and remove her? Or is her
position vacated automatically?
Phillip N. Morton, J.D.
P.O. Box 1886
Ada, OK 74820
Phone: 580-759-0049
Fax: 580-759-2177
Email: MortonLawOffice@gmail.com
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We have in Sand Springs this ordinance to deal with elected official who may not meet the qualifications:
1.16.040 Eligibility to hold municipal office.
State law regulates both the eligibility for candidacy and the eligibility to hold office.
Although the City Clerk must determine eligibility for candidacy, the City is responsible for
ensuring compliance with state law as it concerns eligibility to hold office. The Sand
Springs Charter, at Section 2-1, provides as follows concerning eligibility to hold office:
Only persons who are qualified electors of the City at least twenty-five years of age shall
be qualified for the office of councilman at large. Only persons who are qualified electors
of their respective wards at least twenty-five years of age shall be qualified for the offices
of councilmen from the wards.
In order to ensure compliance with the above provision, the following procedures
are adopted by the City of Sand Springs to apply to ALL elected officials of the City of
Sand Springs:
In those instances in which the qualification to hold office is questioned by an
elected official, or a resident of Sand Springs, the City Clerk shall be authorized to
investigate the lack of qualifications, and shall be authorized to request from the elected
official any information necessary for a full and complete investigation. Upon conclusion
of the investigation, if the information provided by the elected official does not satisfy the
City Clerk and City Attorney that the requirements of the City’s Charter and of state law
are met, the City Attorney is authorized and directed to proceed as follows:
the eligibility issue;
resolve the eligibility to hold office issue;
The City Council by approval of this ordinance directs that the City Clerk, and all other
officials of the City, are precluded from administering the oath of office to any individual in
which the eligibility to hold office issue has not been fully resolved, as set forth above.
This was intended to take the politics out of determining residency (it is very hard for the elected officials to resolve that issue if someone has just won an election!) Also, was intended to clearly require the alleged office holder to cooperate to determine eligibility (some don’t think they are required to).
David L. Weatherford
Attorney At Law
1141 East 37th Street
Tulsa, OK 74105
(918) 743-8355
(918) 743-7478 (fax)
From: Matt Love matt.love@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 12:21 PM
To: david davis ddavislaw@live.com
Cc: Kim@spadylaw.com; oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Residency Requirement for Mayor
I'm not worried about the votes being questioned (or at least that a challenge would go anywhere). The de facto Officer line of cases treats the votes/actions of a public Officer who has a defect in their title to continue to hold the Office as though they are the actions of a de jure (legal) Officer. Collateral attacks are not permissible.
I would also say that I concur that the vacancy would not be self executing and the body with authority to fill the vacancy (the Council) is the body who would need to declare the vacancy as existing. Since it's an elected office, the case law also suggests that due process has to be provided as part of declaring the vacancy. Easiest course is always for the person to simply resign rather than having to go through the process. But I know it'll be hard for anyone on the OAMA listserve to believe that occasionally elected officials don't take the easiest route in situations like this.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:24 AM david davis <ddavislaw@live.com mailto:ddavislaw@live.com > wrote:
If after becoming non resident would not her vote on matters be of questionable validity?
On June 22, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Kim@spadylaw.com mailto:Kim@spadylaw.com wrote:
This is what I was thinking, Ray. Seems like it would have to be placed on the agenda and the governing body would have to make a determination that the mayor is no longer a resident of the municipality and therefore no longer holds office.
Absent that determination, the mayor remains in office.
It’s not a certain course of action – any councilmember could ask that the matter be placed on the agenda and the mayor would then surely be out. But if everyone is happy, maybe that won’t happen.
Kim Spady
From: rayvincent@coxinet.net mailto:rayvincent@coxinet.net <rayvincent@coxinet.net mailto:rayvincent@coxinet.net >
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 4:29 PM
To: Lowell Peterson <lpeterson@live.com mailto:lpeterson@live.com >; Phillip Morton <mortonlawoffice@gmail.com mailto:mortonlawoffice@gmail.com >; oama@lists.imla.org mailto:oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Residency Requirement for Mayor
But what about this.
11 OS 8-108
Whenever a member of the municipal governing body is absent from more than one-half of all meetings of the governing body, regular and special, held within any period of four (4) consecutive months, he shall thereupon cease to hold office.
Sounds like immediately, but
1996 OK AG 98
. An elected member of a municipal governing body who is absent for more than half of all meetings, regular and special, of that body held within any period of four consecutive months, vacates his or her office.
2. Under the provisions of 51 O.S.1991, § 8, it is the appointing authority who determines whether the facts giving rise to a vacancy in office have occurred. When there is a dispute over the facts giving rise to the vacancy, the appointing authority must afford the office holder some type of minimal due process.
3. Under the provisions of 11 O.S.1991, § 8-109, when a vacancy occurs in an elected municipal office-save that of mayor-it is the municipal governing body, by a majority vote of the remaining members, that fills the vacancy.
4. Thus, whether under the mandate of 11 O.S.1991, § 8-108, an elected municipal officer has vacated his or her office by virtue of being absent from more than half of all meetings, regular and special, of the municipal governing body held within any period of four consecutive months, is determined by the remaining members of that body.
Minimum due process?
Could this be applicable to your situation?
Ray
From: Lowell Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 4:13 PM
To: Phillip Morton ; oama@lists.imla.org mailto:oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Residency Requirement for Mayor
Although § 9-103 of Title 11 allows for governing body members in an aldermanic city to relocate from one ward to another during the course of their term without losing their seat,
Title 11. Cities and Towns
Chapter 1 - Oklahoma Municipal Code
Article IX - Aldermanic Form of Government
Section 9-103 - Qualifications of Governing Body Members
The governing body members shall be residents and registered voters of the city, and the councilmembers from wards shall be actual residents of their respective wards at the time of their respective candidacies and elections Removal of a councilmember from a ward to another ward within the municipality after his or her election, or a change in ward boundaries, shall not disqualify the councilmember from completing the term for which he or she was elected.
§ 8-101, in reference to all municipal officers without distinction among forms of government, requires automatic termination of office upon relocation outside city limits.
Title 11. Cities and Towns
Chapter 1 - Oklahoma Municipal Code
Article VIII - Officers - General Provisions
Section 8-101 - Qualifications for Elected Office
A municipal elected official shall be a resident and a registered voter of the municipality in which he serves, and all councilmembers or trustees from wards shall be actual residents of their respective wards. If an elected official ceases to be a resident of the municipality, he shall thereupon cease to be an elected official of that municipality.
I think your mayor is no longer mayor immediately upon moving out of town.
Lowell Peterson
22309 E. 67th Street S.
Broken Arrow, OK 74014
lpeterson@live.com mailto:lpeterson@live.com
Cell (918) 805-4090
From: Phillip Morton <mortonlawoffice@gmail.com mailto:mortonlawoffice@gmail.com >
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 3:47 PM
To: oama@lists.imla.org mailto:oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Residency Requirement for Mayor
Mayor has less than a year of her term left, and does not plan on running again. Aldermanic form of government. The Mayor is planning to move just outside of city limits prior to the expiration of her term. General consensus is that the citizens and council would like the mayor to finish out the term even if after the move. So my question is, practically how would this work, assuming the mayor does move outside of the municipal limits. Does the council have to make a determination that the mayor no longer meets the statutory qualifications and remove her? Or is her position vacated automatically?
Phillip N. Morton, J.D.
P.O. Box 1886
Ada, OK 74820
Phone: 580-759-0049
Fax: 580-759-2177
Email: MortonLawOffice@gmail.com mailto:MortonLawOffice@gmail.com
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Didn't think this would produce such great discussion. As was previously
stated, "Nothing difficult is ever easy"!
Phillip N. Morton, J.D.
P.O. Box 1886
Ada, OK 74820
Phone: 580-759-0049
Fax: 580-759-2177
Email: MortonLawOffice@gmail.com
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by law. If you have received this message in error, please immediately
notify us by replying to this email or by calling 580-759-0049.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 12:35 PM David Weatherford <
davidweatherford@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
We have in Sand Springs this ordinance to deal with elected official who
may not meet the qualifications:
1.16.040 Eligibility to hold municipal office.
State law regulates both the eligibility for candidacy and the eligibility
to hold office.
Although the City Clerk must determine eligibility for candidacy, the City
is responsible for
ensuring compliance with state law as it concerns eligibility to hold
office. The Sand
Springs Charter, at Section 2-1, provides as follows concerning
eligibility to hold office:
Only persons who are qualified electors of the City at least twenty-five
years of age shall
be qualified for the office of councilman at large. Only persons who are
qualified electors
of their respective wards at least twenty-five years of age shall be
qualified for the offices
of councilmen from the wards.
In order to ensure compliance with the above provision, the following
procedures
are adopted by the City of Sand Springs to apply to ALL elected officials
of the City of
Sand Springs:
In those instances in which the qualification to hold office is questioned
by an
elected official, or a resident of Sand Springs, the City Clerk shall be
authorized to
investigate the lack of qualifications, and shall be authorized to request
from the elected
official any information necessary for a full and complete investigation.
Upon conclusion
of the investigation, if the information provided by the elected official
does not satisfy the
City Clerk and City Attorney that the requirements of the City’s Charter
and of state law
are met, the City Attorney is authorized and directed to proceed as
follows:
the eligibility issue;
resolve the eligibility to hold office issue;
The City Council by approval of this ordinance directs that the City
Clerk, and all other
officials of the City, are precluded from administering the oath of office
to any individual in
which the eligibility to hold office issue has not been fully resolved, as
set forth above.
This was intended to take the politics out of determining residency (it is
very hard for the elected officials to resolve that issue if someone has
just won an election!) Also, was intended to clearly require the alleged
office holder to cooperate to determine eligibility (some don’t think they
are required to).
David L. Weatherford
Attorney At Law
1141 East 37th Street
Tulsa, OK 74105
(918) 743-8355
(918) 743-7478 (fax)
From: Matt Love matt.love@gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2022 12:21 PM
To: david davis ddavislaw@live.com
Cc: Kim@spadylaw.com; oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Residency Requirement for Mayor
I'm not worried about the votes being questioned (or at least that a
challenge would go anywhere). The de facto Officer line of cases treats
the votes/actions of a public Officer who has a defect in their title to
continue to hold the Office as though they are the actions of a de jure (legal)
Officer. Collateral attacks are not permissible.
I would also say that I concur that the vacancy would not be self
executing and the body with authority to fill the vacancy (the Council) is
the body who would need to declare the vacancy as existing. Since it's an
elected office, the case law also suggests that due process has to be
provided as part of declaring the vacancy. Easiest course is always for the
person to simply resign rather than having to go through the process. But I
know it'll be hard for anyone on the OAMA listserve to believe that
occasionally elected officials don't take the easiest route in situations
like this.
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 9:24 AM david davis ddavislaw@live.com wrote:
If after becoming non resident would not her vote on matters be of
questionable validity?
On June 22, 2022, at 5:16 PM, Kim@spadylaw.com wrote:
This is what I was thinking, Ray. Seems like it would have to be placed
on the agenda and the governing body would have to make a determination
that the mayor is no longer a resident of the municipality and therefore no
longer holds office.
Absent that determination, the mayor remains in office.
It’s not a certain course of action – any councilmember could ask that the
matter be placed on the agenda and the mayor would then surely be out. But
if everyone is happy, maybe that won’t happen.
Kim Spady
From: rayvincent@coxinet.net rayvincent@coxinet.net
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 4:29 PM
To: Lowell Peterson lpeterson@live.com; Phillip Morton <
mortonlawoffice@gmail.com>; oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Residency Requirement for Mayor
But what about this.
11 OS 8-108
Whenever a member of the municipal governing body is absent from more than
one-half of all meetings of the governing body, regular and special, held
within any period of four (4) consecutive months, he shall thereupon cease
to hold office.
Sounds like immediately, but
1996 OK AG 98
*. An elected member of a municipal governing body who is absent for more
than half of all meetings, regular and special, of that body held within
any period of four consecutive months, vacates his or her office.2. Under
the provisions of *51 O.S.1991, § 8,
Minimum due process?
Could this be applicable to your situation?
Ray
From: Lowell Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 4:13 PM
To: Phillip Morton ; oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Re: Residency Requirement for Mayor
*Although § 9-103 of Title 11 allows for governing body members in an
aldermanic city to relocate from one ward to another during the course of
their term without losing their seat, *
Title 11. Cities and Towns
§ 8-101, in reference to all municipal officers without distinction among
forms of government, requires automatic termination of office upon
relocation outside city limits.
Title 11. Cities and Towns
I think your mayor is no longer mayor immediately upon moving out of
town.
Lowell Peterson
22309 E. 67th Street S.
Broken Arrow, OK 74014
lpeterson@live.com lpeterson@live.com
Cell (918) 805-4090
From: Phillip Morton mortonlawoffice@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2022 3:47 PM
To: oama@lists.imla.org
Subject: [Oama] Residency Requirement for Mayor
Mayor has less than a year of her term left, and does not plan on running
again. Aldermanic form of government. The Mayor is planning to move just
outside of city limits prior to the expiration of her term. General
consensus is that the citizens and council would like the mayor to finish
out the term even if after the move. So my question is, practically how
would this work, assuming the mayor does move outside of the municipal
limits. Does the council have to make a determination that the mayor no
longer meets the statutory qualifications and remove her? Or is her
position vacated automatically?
Phillip N. Morton, J.D.
P.O. Box 1886
Ada, OK 74820
Phone: 580-759-0049
Fax: 580-759-2177
Email: MortonLawOffice@gmail.com
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