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Jack Condon
Sun, Dec 4, 2005 8:06 PM

Milt Baker, Bluewater
Nordhavn 47 #32 wrote:

Scott Flanders once told me it took him a year to really learn his
new Nordhavn, and I'm beginning to truly appreciate that.  Every
passage and every day we learn more.  Each boat has a few pesonality
quirks, and one of ours is the stuffing box which has required
attention from the get-go.  Once we get it adjusted, it seems to
work fine on a passage--then we go into port, start another passage a
week or two later, and it heats up again.  In St. Thomas I replaced
the 7/16 in. packing with 3/8 in. packing, hoping to open up the
water passages a little.  Nope.  It still overheated.  For the past
24 hours we have had it running fine at about 106 degrees with a
good, steady drip.  I suspect our problems may stem from the fact
that the N47's stern tube and stuffing box are relatively high, near
the LWL, and there's little pressure to force the water in.  Even
with no packing  in place when I was changing the packing, the water
flow was not what I've experienced in other boats. I need to do a
post on the N47 owners bulletin board asking other 47 owners if
they've had similar problems.  We're learning!

i haven't had much trawler packing experience, but 30+ years working with
centrifugal pumps has taught me a thing or two about packing.  basically it
is an old technology that still works fine.  initial packing, or repacking,
should be finger tight only, and then the shaft run at low speeds for at
least a half hour for initial break-in.  don't worry about amount of leakage
at this point.  after the first half hour turn the gland nuts in a half
rotation, wait another half hour, repeat until the leakage is roughly 4-6
drops per minute.  if the gland gets hot (over 140F or so) at any point back
off and start again.  if you form steam it means the packing is gripping way
too tightly and you've probably glazed the packing - rendering it nearly
useless.  trawler shafts run so slow that you might even eventually get the
leakage down more than this.  remember that tightening the gland nuts forces
the stationary packing against the rotating shaft - more tightness equals
more pressure, higher temps, more wear on the shaft, and faster wearing
packing.  the more leakage you are willing to live with the better for the
packing and shaft, in most cases.  don't try and throw in a new ring against
the old - unless it's an emergency. always overlap the rings and stagger the
overlaps evenly.  many sets of packing come premade with an overlap - if not
just lightly hammer the two ends into wedges to form an overlap (front to
back).  a way to get longer life from the shaft is to have the packing area
undercut and hard-faced with 3-5 mils ni-chr-boron or some other accepted
material.  that will give you a surface in the neighborhood of Rockwell-C of
65-70 - very much harder than standard shaft materials.  expensive but
prolongs both shaft and packing life significantly.  last point - packing is
not a set it forget it kind of device - it requires constant attention to
get the best possible life.  just make it a scheduled ritual - daily i would
think.

jack condon - future trawler owner

Milt Baker, Bluewater Nordhavn 47 #32 wrote: Scott Flanders once told me it took him a year to really learn his new Nordhavn, and I'm beginning to truly appreciate that. Every passage and every day we learn more. Each boat has a few pesonality quirks, and one of ours is the stuffing box which has required attention from the get-go. Once we get it adjusted, it seems to work fine on a passage--then we go into port, start another passage a week or two later, and it heats up again. In St. Thomas I replaced the 7/16 in. packing with 3/8 in. packing, hoping to open up the water passages a little. Nope. It still overheated. For the past 24 hours we have had it running fine at about 106 degrees with a good, steady drip. I suspect our problems may stem from the fact that the N47's stern tube and stuffing box are relatively high, near the LWL, and there's little pressure to force the water in. Even with no packing in place when I was changing the packing, the water flow was not what I've experienced in other boats. I need to do a post on the N47 owners bulletin board asking other 47 owners if they've had similar problems. We're learning! i haven't had much trawler packing experience, but 30+ years working with centrifugal pumps has taught me a thing or two about packing. basically it is an old technology that still works fine. initial packing, or repacking, should be finger tight only, and then the shaft run at low speeds for at least a half hour for initial break-in. don't worry about amount of leakage at this point. after the first half hour turn the gland nuts in a half rotation, wait another half hour, repeat until the leakage is roughly 4-6 drops per minute. if the gland gets hot (over 140F or so) at any point back off and start again. if you form steam it means the packing is gripping way too tightly and you've probably glazed the packing - rendering it nearly useless. trawler shafts run so slow that you might even eventually get the leakage down more than this. remember that tightening the gland nuts forces the stationary packing against the rotating shaft - more tightness equals more pressure, higher temps, more wear on the shaft, and faster wearing packing. the more leakage you are willing to live with the better for the packing and shaft, in most cases. don't try and throw in a new ring against the old - unless it's an emergency. always overlap the rings and stagger the overlaps evenly. many sets of packing come premade with an overlap - if not just lightly hammer the two ends into wedges to form an overlap (front to back). a way to get longer life from the shaft is to have the packing area undercut and hard-faced with 3-5 mils ni-chr-boron or some other accepted material. that will give you a surface in the neighborhood of Rockwell-C of 65-70 - very much harder than standard shaft materials. expensive but prolongs both shaft and packing life significantly. last point - packing is not a set it forget it kind of device - it requires constant attention to get the best possible life. just make it a scheduled ritual - daily i would think. jack condon - future trawler owner