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Georgs Kolesnikovs

Thu, Jun 15, 2006 1:49 PM

John of Seahorse wrote:

However, despite the fact that I have not
yet had the favor of a response from Mike, I have found the opinions
of others
intriguing enough that I am moved to post once more. Just once more, I
promise!

I'm surprised that someone with as much experience as you have
apparently is looking for a simplistic answer, so here it is:

Buy the smallest boat you'll be comfortable in.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering, formerly Trawler World, since 1997

PS I strongly suspect Mike Maurice is on delivery or we would have
heard from him by now.

John of Seahorse wrote: >However, despite the fact that I have not >yet had the favor of a response from Mike, I have found the opinions >of others >intriguing enough that I am moved to post once more. Just once more, I >promise! I'm surprised that someone with as much experience as you have apparently is looking for a simplistic answer, so here it is: Buy the smallest boat you'll be comfortable in. --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering, formerly Trawler World, since 1997 PS I strongly suspect Mike Maurice is on delivery or we would have heard from him by now.

DC

Dave Cooper

Thu, Jun 15, 2006 2:38 PM

And thereby lies the crux of John's question. Without having unlimited
resources to purchase and/or try out various types of passagemaker style
boats one needs to ask the question of an experience audience.....the PUP
list and others.

We each have different personal comfort factors. However, I think John is
asking what size boat for what conditions with regard to the boats safety..
It is a good question that could get a series of data points from those that
have the experience, IMO

YMMV :-)

Dave
Swan Song
Roughwater 58
Tortola, BVI

<Georgs wrote: Buy the smallest boat you'll be comfortable in.> And thereby lies the crux of John's question. Without having unlimited resources to purchase and/or try out various types of passagemaker style boats one needs to ask the question of an experience audience.....the PUP list and others. We each have different personal comfort factors. However, I think John is asking what size boat for what conditions with regard to the boats safety.. It is a good question that could get a series of data points from those that have the experience, IMO YMMV :-) Dave Swan Song Roughwater 58 Tortola, BVI

M

Mark

Thu, Jun 15, 2006 4:42 PM

I often hear two theories, the first one is the Georgs mentioned, the second one I hear repeatedly is

Buy the longest waterline you can afford and keep everything else as simple and plain as possible.

Georgs Kolesnikovs georgs@trawlersandtrawlering.com wrote: Buy the smallest boat you'll be comfortable in.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs

I often hear two theories, the first one is the Georgs mentioned, the second one I hear repeatedly is Buy the longest waterline you can afford and keep everything else as simple and plain as possible. Georgs Kolesnikovs <georgs@trawlersandtrawlering.com> wrote: Buy the smallest boat you'll be comfortable in. --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs

HW

Hal Wyman

Thu, Jun 15, 2006 4:51 PM

Heavy also helps comfort, although not necessarily safety and certainly not
fuel economy. My custom Seaton 55' at 70 tons is a lot more comfortable
than my previous Kadey-Krogen 54' at 34 tons and 20% of the ballast.

Hal

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I often hear two theories, the first one is the Georgs
mentioned, the second one I hear repeatedly is

Buy the longest waterline you can afford and keep everything
else as simple and plain as possible.

Georgs Kolesnikovs georgs@trawlersandtrawlering.com wrote:
Buy the smallest boat you'll be comfortable in.

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs

Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

Heavy also helps comfort, although not necessarily safety and certainly not fuel economy. My custom Seaton 55' at 70 tons is a lot more comfortable than my previous Kadey-Krogen 54' at 34 tons and 20% of the ballast. Hal > -----Original Message----- > From: passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com > [mailto:passagemaking-under-power-bounces@lists.samurai.com] > On Behalf Of Mark > Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 9:43 AM > To: Passagemaking Under Power List > Subject: Re: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased - Again... > > I often hear two theories, the first one is the Georgs > mentioned, the second one I hear repeatedly is > > Buy the longest waterline you can afford and keep everything > else as simple and plain as possible. > > Georgs Kolesnikovs <georgs@trawlersandtrawlering.com> wrote: > Buy the smallest boat you'll be comfortable in. > > --Georgs > -- > Georgs Kolesnikovs > _______________________________________________ > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List

JH

John Harris

Thu, Jun 15, 2006 8:37 PM

For a heavy weather passage maker, I would opt for the lowest profile (best
A / B ratio boat that is in my price range. This tends to provide a minimum
profile to wind and waves, and with proper ballast gives a comfortable boat
in heavy seas.

What is comfortable is dependent on who you ask but the factors are similar,
i.e. minimum acceleration on the inner ear, but each persons acceptable
value is different.

This is from the prospective of a Nordhavn 46 owner that has seen an ocean
crossing and some force 7 & 8 conditions - and survived without being sea
sick - yet.

Others will see it differently.

John Harris - World Odd @ Sea - presently in Gibraltar

For a heavy weather passage maker, I would opt for the lowest profile (best A / B ratio boat that is in my price range. This tends to provide a minimum profile to wind and waves, and with proper ballast gives a comfortable boat in heavy seas. What is comfortable is dependent on who you ask but the factors are similar, i.e. minimum acceleration on the inner ear, but each persons acceptable value is different. This is from the prospective of a Nordhavn 46 owner that has seen an ocean crossing and some force 7 & 8 conditions - and survived without being sea sick - yet. Others will see it differently. John Harris - World Odd @ Sea - presently in Gibraltar

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Boat size question, re-phrased - Again...

--Georgs

--Georgs

--Georgs