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  From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com>

 I think you will find that stacked 'halos' don't work worth a  @^%&#! They are mounted one up, one down, thus are 180 deg out of phase giving a nullat the horizon.   Unless the phasing harness has 180 deg delay on one leg or thegama match has been moved to the other side of the element. Kent WA5VJB From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> To: MVUS LIST <mvus-list@febo.com> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:43 PM Subject: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 See attached. If your email system/client filters the file from this email, you can get a copy in the archive at the link at the bottom of this email. Jim wb8vsu@mvus.org _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list

  From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com>

Well I believe from more closely looking at the photo that the lower ant is fed with a different length of cable for the phase shift needed. That is the two meter loops. The 432 loops look correct to me from the photo. Randy WB8ART -----Original Message----- From: mvus-list [mailto:mvus-list-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of KENT BRITAIN via mvus-list Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 5:42 PM To: Jim Bacher; MVUS LIST; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 �I think you will find that stacked 'halos' don't work worth a �@^%&#! They are mounted one up, one down, thus are 180 deg out of phase giving a nullat the horizon. � Unless the phasing harness has 180 deg delay on one leg or thegama match has been moved to the other side of the element. Kent WA5VJB From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> To: MVUS LIST <mvus-list@febo.com> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:43 PM Subject: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 See attached. If your email system/client filters the file from this email, you can get a copy in the archive at the link at the bottom of this email. Jim wb8vsu@mvus.org _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list

  From: Randy Midkiff <ranmid@gmail.com>

It would need an asymetrical harness to come out in phase. From: Randy Midkiff <ranmid@gmail.com> To: 'KENT BRITAIN' <wa5vjb@flash.net>; 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@febo.com> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 5:37 PM Subject: RE: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 Well I believe from more closely looking at the photo that the lower ant is fed with a different length of cable for the phase shift needed.  That is the two meter loops. The 432 loops look correct to me from the photo. Randy WB8ART -----Original Message----- From: mvus-list [mailto:mvus-list-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of KENT BRITAIN via mvus-list Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 5:42 PM To: Jim Bacher; MVUS LIST; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List Subject: Re: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 �I think you will find that stacked 'halos' don't work worth a �@^%&#! They are mounted one up, one down, thus are 180 deg out of phase giving a nullat the horizon. � Unless the phasing harness has 180 deg delay on one leg or thegama match has been moved to the other side of the element. Kent WA5VJB       From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> To: MVUS LIST <mvus-list@febo.com> Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:43 PM Subject: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016   See attached. If your email system/client filters the file from this email, you can get a copy in the archive at the link at the bottom of this email. Jim wb8vsu@mvus.org _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list   _______________________________________________ mvus-list mailing list mvus-list@febo.com https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list

  From: Randy Midkiff <ranmid@gmail.com>

   From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com>

I ran an identical setup from the mobile for years. It worked very well. I talked 500 miles on 2 meter SSB regularly. I worked from NC to Maine during an opening on 432. I did have to reverse the wiring in one of the loops to maintain phase. I also had a 1/4 x 3/4 wavelength harness on 432 simply because the spacing was too far for a symmetrical harness. I suppose I should mention that I was running 300 watts on 2M and 100 watts on 432. The whole antenna was on a home made hinge so I could fold it over for my garage and parking garages, etc… It didn’t look real pretty but it sure did work. Dave, K4TO > On Dec 9, 2016, at 6:38 PM, KENT BRITAIN via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> wrote: > > It would need an asymetrical harness to come out in phase. > > From: Randy Midkiff <ranmid@gmail.com> > To: 'KENT BRITAIN' <wa5vjb@flash.net>; 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List' <mvus-list@febo.com> > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 5:37 PM > Subject: RE: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 > > Well I believe from more closely looking at the photo that the lower ant is fed with a different length of cable for the phase shift needed. That is the two meter loops. The 432 loops look correct to me from the photo. > > Randy WB8ART > > -----Original Message----- > From: mvus-list [mailto:mvus-list-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of KENT BRITAIN via mvus-list > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 5:42 PM > To: Jim Bacher; MVUS LIST; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 > > �I think you will find that stacked 'halos' don't work worth a �@^%&#! > They are mounted one up, one down, thus are 180 deg out of phase giving a nullat the horizon. � Unless the phasing harness has 180 deg delay on one leg or thegama match has been moved to the other side of the element. > Kent WA5VJB > > From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> > To: MVUS LIST <mvus-list@febo.com> > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:43 PM > Subject: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 > > See attached. > > If your email system/client filters the file from this email, you can get a > copy in the archive at the link at the bottom of this email. > > Jim > wb8vsu@mvus.org > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list

  From: Randy Midkiff <ranmid@gmail.com>

   From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com>

The antennas are M2 antennas with their stacking kit. So the cables, spacing, etc should be Ok. They are about 11 years old. I had great difficulties tuning them, and bought a second set. The second set tuned right up. I then used the second set as a guide to fix the first set. Timing worked out as about the time I had them working, MVUS need beacon antennas for both bands. Jim WB8VSU On Dec 9, 2016 7:45 PM, "Dave Sublette via mvus-list" <mvus-list@febo.com> wrote: > I ran an identical setup from the mobile for years. It worked very well. > I talked 500 miles on 2 meter SSB regularly. I worked from NC to Maine > during an opening on 432. I did have to reverse the wiring in one of the > loops to maintain phase. I also had a 1/4 x 3/4 wavelength harness on 432 > simply because the spacing was too far for a symmetrical harness. I > suppose I should mention that I was running 300 watts on 2M and 100 watts > on 432. The whole antenna was on a home made hinge so I could fold it > over for my garage and parking garages, etc… It didn’t look real pretty > but it sure did work. > > Dave, K4TO > > On Dec 9, 2016, at 6:38 PM, KENT BRITAIN via mvus-list < > mvus-list@febo.com> wrote: > > > > It would need an asymetrical harness to come out in phase. > > > > From: Randy Midkiff <ranmid@gmail.com> > > To: 'KENT BRITAIN' <wa5vjb@flash.net>; 'Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing > List' <mvus-list@febo.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 5:37 PM > > Subject: RE: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December > 2016 > > > > Well I believe from more closely looking at the photo that the lower ant > is fed with a different length of cable for the phase shift needed. That > is the two meter loops. The 432 loops look correct to me from the photo. > > > > Randy WB8ART > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mvus-list [mailto:mvus-list-bounces@febo.com] On Behalf Of KENT > BRITAIN via mvus-list > > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 5:42 PM > > To: Jim Bacher; MVUS LIST; Midwest VHF/UHF Society Mailing List > > Subject: Re: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December > 2016 > > > > �I think you will find that stacked 'halos' don't work worth a �@^%&#! > > They are mounted one up, one down, thus are 180 deg out of phase giving > a nullat the horizon. � Unless the phasing harness has 180 deg delay on one > leg or thegama match has been moved to the other side of the element. > > Kent WA5VJB > > > > From: Jim Bacher via mvus-list <mvus-list@febo.com> > > To: MVUS LIST <mvus-list@febo.com> > > Sent: Friday, December 9, 2016 3:43 PM > > Subject: [mvus-list] MVUS Anomalous Propagation / November-December 2016 > > > > See attached. > > > > If your email system/client filters the file from this email, you can > get a > > copy in the archive at the link at the bottom of this email. > > > > Jim > > wb8vsu@mvus.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@febo.com > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@febo.com > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mvus-list mailing list > > mvus-list@febo.com > > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list > > _______________________________________________ > mvus-list mailing list > mvus-list@febo.com > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mvus-list >