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Jim Alexander

Fri, Jan 9, 2004 3:23 AM

Hard to believe that anything more could go wrong to upset my apple-cart
with reference to the purchase of the LRC, but I just got the following
information from my Diesel Surveyor as a result of the oil analysis:

     Both Detroits show high soot and chrome wear as result of excess

idling or slow operation plus copper and lead indicating
bearing wear. The Starboard Detroit also has saltwater in the oil.
The Westerbeke Gen-set also has high soot level and sodium content
in the oil, could be saltwater, but how it got there is beyond me.
Onan shows cylinder wear from age and over fueling.

Beginning to look like I am going to be boat shopping again!

Jim Alexander, Realtor
Boatless again (longer than I thought)
Port Charlotte, FL

Hard to believe that anything more could go wrong to upset my apple-cart with reference to the purchase of the LRC, but I just got the following information from my Diesel Surveyor as a result of the oil analysis: Both Detroits show high soot and chrome wear as result of excess idling or slow operation plus copper and lead indicating bearing wear. The Starboard Detroit also has saltwater in the oil. The Westerbeke Gen-set also has high soot level and sodium content in the oil, could be saltwater, but how it got there is beyond me. Onan shows cylinder wear from age and over fueling. Beginning to look like I am going to be boat shopping again! Jim Alexander, Realtor Boatless again (longer than I thought) Port Charlotte, FL

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Paul Goyette

Fri, Jan 9, 2004 3:26 AM

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Jim Alexander wrote:

Beginning to look like I am going to be boat shopping again!

Sorry to hear this, Jim, but it sounds to me like you've just found out
(and shown the rest of us) exactly why one does a survey before buying
a boat.

Here's hoping you find something in slightly better condition.

On Thu, 8 Jan 2004, Jim Alexander wrote: > Beginning to look like I am going to be boat shopping again! Sorry to hear this, Jim, but it sounds to me like you've just found out (and shown the rest of us) exactly why one does a survey before buying a boat. Here's hoping you find something in slightly better condition.

MM

m/v MOJO

Fri, Jan 9, 2004 3:37 AM

I've refrained from commenting in the past few days due to the excellent
advice from other TWL listees, but all along I've felt ....

"RUN, DON'T WALK"

FROM THIS BOAT!!!!!

Unless you want to spend more dollars than you ever thought possible and
more time than you most likely have left on this earth, keep looking for a
boat you can enjoy vs. a boat that you will curse for the rest of your
days!!!

Ray B.
m/v MOJO
Beebe design #112 - Passagemaker 49-10 in steel
www.mvmojo.com

Hard to believe that anything more could go wrong to upset my apple-cart
with reference to the purchase of the LRC, but I just got the following
information from my Diesel Surveyor as a result of the oil analysis:

      Both Detroits show high soot and chrome wear as result of excess

idling or slow operation plus copper and lead indicating
bearing wear. The Starboard Detroit also has saltwater in the oil.
The Westerbeke Gen-set also has high soot level and sodium

content

in the oil, could be saltwater, but how it got there is beyond me.
Onan shows cylinder wear from age and over fueling.

Beginning to look like I am going to be boat shopping again!

I've refrained from commenting in the past few days due to the excellent advice from other TWL listees, but all along I've felt .... "RUN, DON'T WALK" FROM THIS BOAT!!!!! Unless you want to spend more dollars than you ever thought possible and more time than you most likely have left on this earth, keep looking for a boat you can enjoy vs. a boat that you will curse for the rest of your days!!! Ray B. m/v MOJO Beebe design #112 - Passagemaker 49-10 in steel www.mvmojo.com > Hard to believe that anything more could go wrong to upset my apple-cart > with reference to the purchase of the LRC, but I just got the following > information from my Diesel Surveyor as a result of the oil analysis: > > Both Detroits show high soot and chrome wear as result of excess > idling or slow operation plus copper and lead indicating > bearing wear. The Starboard Detroit also has saltwater in the oil. > The Westerbeke Gen-set also has high soot level and sodium content > in the oil, could be saltwater, but how it got there is beyond me. > Onan shows cylinder wear from age and over fueling. > > Beginning to look like I am going to be boat shopping again! >

BP

Bob Peterson

Fri, Jan 9, 2004 5:15 AM

Jim, look at it this way: The oil analysis made the decision and easy one
for you.

Bob Peterson

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Alexander
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:23 PM
To: TWL
Subject: TWL: Survey 48 LRC, It gets worse

I just got the following information from my Diesel Surveyor as a result of
the oil analysis: Both Detroits show high soot and chrome wear as result of
excess idling or slow operation plus copper and lead indicating bearing
wear. The Starboard Detroit also has saltwater in the oil.

Jim, look at it this way: The oil analysis made the decision and easy one for you. Bob Peterson -----Original Message----- From: Jim Alexander Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2004 7:23 PM To: TWL Subject: TWL: Survey 48 LRC, It gets worse I just got the following information from my Diesel Surveyor as a result of the oil analysis: Both Detroits show high soot and chrome wear as result of excess idling or slow operation plus copper and lead indicating bearing wear. The Starboard Detroit also has saltwater in the oil.

RR

Ron Rogers

Fri, Jan 9, 2004 6:00 AM

I vote that we shoot the "professional Captain!" Do I hear a second?

Ron Rogers

I vote that we shoot the "professional Captain!" Do I hear a second? Ron Rogers

PG

Paul Goyette

Fri, Jan 9, 2004 6:04 AM

Nah, shooting is too good for him - make him walk the plank!

On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Ron Rogers wrote:

I vote that we shoot the "professional Captain!" Do I hear a second?

Nah, shooting is too good for him - make him walk the plank! On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Ron Rogers wrote: > I vote that we shoot the "professional Captain!" Do I hear a second?

RC

R C Smith jr

Fri, Jan 9, 2004 1:54 PM

on 1/8/04 10:23 PM, Jim Alexander at 89Vista43@comcast.net wrote:

Both Detroits show high soot and chrome wear as result of excess
idling or slow operation plus copper and lead indicating
bearing wear. The Starboard Detroit also has saltwater in the oil.
The Westerbeke Gen-set also has high soot level and sodium content
in the oil, could be saltwater, but how it got there is beyond me.
Onan shows cylinder wear from age and over fueling.

Jim,

In contrast, my 58 LRC purchased from third owner in 2001 was very clean.
All four diesels still run great after 9,000 miles.

I think it is very unusual to find LRCs in as poor shape as yours. Unless
you enjoy working on them as much as cruising (and I know many who do), take
a pass.

This is not too say you shouldn't make a rock bottom offer before you go...

Bob

R C Smith Jr
M/V MARY KATHRYN
1977 Hatteras 58 LRC
Marathon in the Florida Keys

on 1/8/04 10:23 PM, Jim Alexander at 89Vista43@comcast.net wrote: > Both Detroits show high soot and chrome wear as result of excess > idling or slow operation plus copper and lead indicating > bearing wear. The Starboard Detroit also has saltwater in the oil. > The Westerbeke Gen-set also has high soot level and sodium content > in the oil, could be saltwater, but how it got there is beyond me. > Onan shows cylinder wear from age and over fueling. Jim, In contrast, my 58 LRC purchased from third owner in 2001 was very clean. All four diesels still run great after 9,000 miles. I think it is very unusual to find LRCs in as poor shape as yours. Unless you enjoy working on them as much as cruising (and I know many who do), take a pass. This is not too say you shouldn't make a rock bottom offer before you go... Bob __________________ R C Smith Jr M/V MARY KATHRYN 1977 Hatteras 58 LRC Marathon in the Florida Keys

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David

Fri, Jan 9, 2004 9:34 PM

Just think Jim, your a shoe in for a chapter in Joe Engles book on boat
buying.

Sorry to inject humor its my way. But it sounds like too much work for the
money and time allowance. There are 49 of these and you know there are 7 on
the market, although 3 of those will need 650' of chain. (West Coast).

If it was me, Double all fix it up estimates and bid if you have time to
get the work done. Then you'll know everything is new and done properly. I
for one would not ever have the buyer fix anything unless I knew exactly
what yard was doing it and could check. Or go see the other boats. Tell me
when you go to look I'm ready for some warm weather and one seems to be in
the Bahamas.

Skooch

David Stahl

           Beacon Technologies Inc.
          Serving The Delaware Valley
   Business and Residential Internet Services

Just think Jim, your a shoe in for a chapter in Joe Engles book on boat buying. Sorry to inject humor its my way. But it sounds like too much work for the money and time allowance. There are 49 of these and you know there are 7 on the market, although 3 of those will need 650' of chain. (West Coast). If it was me, Double all fix it up estimates and bid if you have time to get the work done. Then you'll know everything is new and done properly. I for one would not ever have the buyer fix anything unless I knew exactly what yard was doing it and could check. Or go see the other boats. Tell me when you go to look I'm ready for some warm weather and one seems to be in the Bahamas. Skooch David Stahl ************************************************************** Beacon Technologies Inc. Serving The Delaware Valley Business and Residential Internet Services

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