Georgs - as you may remember, the Logan 33 can come as a kitset, so the price can be reduced still further if you can do the interior fit out yourself. Oddly, I finally got a China yard to talk to the guys in New Zealand to give me an estimate and they said they would need FIVE times the man hours as New Zealand; this WITH the original NZ foreman supervising in China! So I'm back to thinking of the completed boat - if I get one. I look forward to hearing anyone's impressions of the littel Logan if they beat me down there (which, with this recession biting like a starved pit bull, is pretty likely) regards, Simon Kornberg Hong Kong _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com