Kirpan Request by Concertgoers
A member is facing a request for concertgoers to be allowed to wear kirpans at an upcoming concert. For those not familiar, a kirpan, as I understand it, is a blade that is required as a part of a religious uniform for Sikhs. My instinct, as well as the requestor's, is that banning all blades, regardless of their purpose or religious affiliation is reasonable and would not run afoul of the First Amendment or any anti-discrimination laws. Prohibiting weapons at a concert is a compelling governmental interest. That said, if anyone has experience with this type of request, please email me at akarras@imla.org as the requestor would like to speak to you.
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Thank goodness we've not run into that, but I certainly agree with your
instinct!
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On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 12:16 PM Amanda Karras via Counties <
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A member is facing a request for concertgoers to be allowed to wear
kirpans at an upcoming concert. For those not familiar, a kirpan, as I
understand it, is a blade that is required as a part of a religious uniform
for Sikhs. My instinct, as well as the requestor’s, is that banning all
blades, regardless of their purpose or religious affiliation is reasonable
and would not run afoul of the First Amendment or any anti-discrimination
laws. Prohibiting weapons at a concert is a compelling governmental
interest. That said, if anyone has experience with this type of request,
please email me at akarras@imla.org as the requestor would like to speak
to you.
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After learning a bit more, it sounds like this is an issue that does come up with at least some frequency and is more nuanced than I originally believed. For those that are curious, here’s an older settlement announcement from the EEOC regarding a workplace accommodation issue on the subject: https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/manorcare-health-services-settles-religious-discrimination-suit#:~:text=This%20is%20the%20second%20lawsuit,HCR%20ManorCare%2C%20Case%20No.). I had not initially understood that kirpans are dull blades, typically no sharper than a dinner knife. I do think that changes the analysis in some cases, but perhaps not others depending on where the individual is requesting the accommodation. I came across an interesting law review article on religious freedom and access to courthouses in the US and Canada as it relates to kirpans. The author argues that courts that allow scissors, forks, butter knives, pliers, and other pointed metal objects should also allow kirpans. I agree with that sentiment as it would undermine the public safety argument if you are allowing sharp objects for non-religious purposes, but denying the kirpan, which is undeniably integral to the individual’s religious beliefs. But I imagine a concert venue would also prohibit the attendees from bringing scissors and other pointed objects into the venue (but I’m less sure about forks and knives). At any rate, I wanted to share some additional thoughts with the group since I had originally chimed in with my reaction and believe the analysis is more nuanced given the nature of the kirpan.
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Amanda Karras (she/her)
Executive Director / General Counsel
International Municipal Lawyers Association
P: (202) 466-5424 x7116
D: (202) 742-1018
51 Monroe St. Suite 404 Rockville, MD, 20850
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Subject: Re: [Counties] Kirpan Request by Concertgoers
Thank goodness we've not run into that, but I certainly agree with your instinct!
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County Attorney
Anne Arundel County Office of Law
2660 Riva Road
Annapolis, MD 21401
Office: (410) 222-7888
Cell: (443) 685-5505
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On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 12:16 PM Amanda Karras via Counties <counties@lists.imla.orgmailto:counties@lists.imla.org> wrote:
A member is facing a request for concertgoers to be allowed to wear kirpans at an upcoming concert. For those not familiar, a kirpan, as I understand it, is a blade that is required as a part of a religious uniform for Sikhs. My instinct, as well as the requestor’s, is that banning all blades, regardless of their purpose or religious affiliation is reasonable and would not run afoul of the First Amendment or any anti-discrimination laws. Prohibiting weapons at a concert is a compelling governmental interest. That said, if anyone has experience with this type of request, please email me at akarras@imla.orgmailto:akarras@imla.org as the requestor would like to speak to you.
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DHS (in charge of protecting federal buildings) allows for a religious accommodation upon request and under certain conditions. See FPS Directive 15.9.3.1. https://www.dhs.gov/faq-regarding-items-prohibited-federal-property.
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After learning a bit more, it sounds like this is an issue that does come up with at least some frequency and is more nuanced than I originally believed. For those that are curious, here’s an older settlement announcement from the EEOC regarding a workplace accommodation issue on the subject: https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/manorcare-health-services-settles-religious-discrimination-suit#:~:text=This%20is%20the%20second%20lawsuit,HCR%20ManorCare%2C%20Case%20No.). I had not initially understood that kirpans are dull blades, typically no sharper than a dinner knife. I do think that changes the analysis in some cases, but perhaps not others depending on where the individual is requesting the accommodation. I came across an interesting law review article on religious freedom and access to courthouses in the US and Canada as it relates to kirpans. The author argues that courts that allow scissors, forks, butter knives, pliers, and other pointed metal objects should also allow kirpans. I agree with that sentiment as it would undermine the public safety argument if you are allowing sharp objects for non-religious purposes, but denying the kirpan, which is undeniably integral to the individual’s religious beliefs. But I imagine a concert venue would also prohibit the attendees from bringing scissors and other pointed objects into the venue (but I’m less sure about forks and knives). At any rate, I wanted to share some additional thoughts with the group since I had originally chimed in with my reaction and believe the analysis is more nuanced given the nature of the kirpan.
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Subject: Re: [Counties] Kirpan Request by Concertgoers
Thank goodness we've not run into that, but I certainly agree with your instinct!
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On Thu, Oct 3, 2024 at 12:16 PM Amanda Karras via Counties <counties@lists.imla.orgmailto:counties@lists.imla.org> wrote:
A member is facing a request for concertgoers to be allowed to wear kirpans at an upcoming concert. For those not familiar, a kirpan, as I understand it, is a blade that is required as a part of a religious uniform for Sikhs. My instinct, as well as the requestor’s, is that banning all blades, regardless of their purpose or religious affiliation is reasonable and would not run afoul of the First Amendment or any anti-discrimination laws. Prohibiting weapons at a concert is a compelling governmental interest. That said, if anyone has experience with this type of request, please email me at akarras@imla.orgmailto:akarras@imla.org as the requestor would like to speak to you.
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