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Re: [PUP] Boat size question, re-phrased - Again... summary

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Georgs Kolesnikovs
Thu, Jun 22, 2006 11:59 AM

Without having unlimited resources to purchase and/or try out  various
types of passagemaker style boats one needs to ask the question of
an  experience
audience.....the PUP list and others.

That's right, Dave. But apparently, this isn't where  the experienced
audience is, with exceptions, of course, which surprised  me.

If there is another forum on the Net about passagemaking under power
that can match the depth and range of experience of this List and its
participants, be sure to post the URL, eh?

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering, formerly Trawler World, since 1997

>>Without having unlimited resources to purchase and/or try out various >>types of passagemaker style boats one needs to ask the question of >>an experience >>audience.....the PUP list and others. >That's right, Dave. But apparently, this isn't where the experienced >audience is, with exceptions, of course, which surprised me. If there is another forum on the Net about passagemaking under power that can match the depth and range of experience of this List and its participants, be sure to post the URL, eh? --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Your host at Trawlers & Trawlering, formerly Trawler World, since 1997
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Ron Rogers
Thu, Jun 22, 2006 1:02 PM

As John knows, there is more to the equation than size. On the West Coast
you can afford to have trawlers with 8 foot draft and you might like a steel
hull for deadheads. Theoretically, there could be a seaway in which one of
our trawlers is happily climbing huge swells while a ship of a certain
length is punching through them in mild discomfort.

This List has members familiar with large vessels and those with experience
delivering a variety of private trawlers and sailboats. They have their
views, but were all their deliveries done in identical conditions? Of course
not.

My ex-father-in-law chose his Bristol 41 sailboat because it fit the seas
and weather found in Nantucket Sound - he was right. John has a Seaton
design which works well for him. Some designers are better than others and
even the best designers appear to be able to turn out a turkey every once in
a while.

So, doesn't the equation include: design, area designed for, displacement,
length, quality of construction, power, and skill? Builders using a proven
design by someone like Monk usually advertise that.

If the design has been used for commercial trawlers that make it back, that
says something. Then you test it for comfort in a seaway. The old CG 44
footers usually came back, but their crews were miserable because the hull
resembled a ball. Hargrave said the the most seaworthy shape is a ball.  But
we know it's not comfortable.

Therefore, size per se is not determinant, but it doesn't hurt.

Ron Rogers

As John knows, there is more to the equation than size. On the West Coast you can afford to have trawlers with 8 foot draft and you might like a steel hull for deadheads. Theoretically, there could be a seaway in which one of our trawlers is happily climbing huge swells while a ship of a certain length is punching through them in mild discomfort. This List has members familiar with large vessels and those with experience delivering a variety of private trawlers and sailboats. They have their views, but were all their deliveries done in identical conditions? Of course not. My ex-father-in-law chose his Bristol 41 sailboat because it fit the seas and weather found in Nantucket Sound - he was right. John has a Seaton design which works well for him. Some designers are better than others and even the best designers appear to be able to turn out a turkey every once in a while. So, doesn't the equation include: design, area designed for, displacement, length, quality of construction, power, and skill? Builders using a *proven* design by someone like Monk usually advertise that. If the design has been used for commercial trawlers that make it back, that says something. Then you test it for comfort in a seaway. The old CG 44 footers usually came back, but their crews were miserable because the hull resembled a ball. Hargrave said the the most seaworthy shape is a ball. But we know it's not comfortable. Therefore, size per se is not determinant, but it doesn't hurt. Ron Rogers
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Dave Cooper
Wed, Aug 9, 2006 1:00 PM

G'day all, Swan Song has left its berth of 7 years in Nanny Cay Tortola, BVI
as the remanufacturing of her is nearly complete. 3 days of sea trials so
far are beyond our expectations. Especially the roll stabilization
tank....awesome!

We are waiting for a decent forecast to head over to St Martin (80NM) for a
few supplies and then straight down to Puerto La Cruz, Venezuela (480NM). A
bit late in the season to be crossing hurricane alley but we think the
window looks good staring on Friday.

Limited email enroute but will try to provide a report once we arrive in
PLC.

Cheers

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58
Caribbean Tour 2006

G'day all, Swan Song has left its berth of 7 years in Nanny Cay Tortola, BVI as the remanufacturing of her is nearly complete. 3 days of sea trials so far are beyond our expectations. Especially the roll stabilization tank....awesome! We are waiting for a decent forecast to head over to St Martin (80NM) for a few supplies and then straight down to Puerto La Cruz, Venezuela (480NM). A bit late in the season to be crossing hurricane alley but we think the window looks good staring on Friday. Limited email enroute but will try to provide a report once we arrive in PLC. Cheers Dave & Nancy Swan Song Roughwater 58 Caribbean Tour 2006
MM
m m
Wed, Aug 9, 2006 2:00 PM

Dave:  Congratulations on the upgrading of Swan Song.
For those of us still here in the States it would be
great if you might be able to post some pics on a
website, and maybe a description of what you have
accomplished and why.

Also, Venezuela is getting nothing but bad press up
here and I suspect that the living is pretty good in
many areas of that country, especially Puerto La Cruz.

Any information on that destination, and your cruise
down there, would be great.  Are you going straight to
PLC or are you island hopping?  Are you moving just
for the season or maybe for a longer period of time?

All the best,  Mike Meeker, Tampa Bay
m/v Eventide, 1968 50' Hatteras CPMY

--- Dave Cooper captdave@surfbvi.com wrote:
e

G'day all, Swan Song has left its berth of 7 years
in Nanny Cay Tortola, BVI
as the remanufacturing of her is nearly complete. 3
days of sea trials so
far are beyond our expectations. Especially the roll
stabilization
tank....awesome!

We are waiting for a decent forecast to head over to
St Martin (80NM) for a
few supplies and then straight down to Puerto La
Cruz, Venezuela (480NM). A
bit late in the season to be crossing hurricane
alley but we think the
window looks good staring on Friday.

Limited email enroute but will try to provide a
report once we arrive in
PLC.

Cheers

Dave & Nancy
Swan Song
Roughwater 58
Caribbean Tour 2006


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Dave: Congratulations on the upgrading of Swan Song. For those of us still here in the States it would be great if you might be able to post some pics on a website, and maybe a description of what you have accomplished and why. Also, Venezuela is getting nothing but bad press up here and I suspect that the living is pretty good in many areas of that country, especially Puerto La Cruz. Any information on that destination, and your cruise down there, would be great. Are you going straight to PLC or are you island hopping? Are you moving just for the season or maybe for a longer period of time? All the best, Mike Meeker, Tampa Bay m/v Eventide, 1968 50' Hatteras CPMY --- Dave Cooper <captdave@surfbvi.com> wrote: e > G'day all, Swan Song has left its berth of 7 years > in Nanny Cay Tortola, BVI > as the remanufacturing of her is nearly complete. 3 > days of sea trials so > far are beyond our expectations. Especially the roll > stabilization > tank....awesome! > > We are waiting for a decent forecast to head over to > St Martin (80NM) for a > few supplies and then straight down to Puerto La > Cruz, Venezuela (480NM). A > bit late in the season to be crossing hurricane > alley but we think the > window looks good staring on Friday. > > Limited email enroute but will try to provide a > report once we arrive in > PLC. > > Cheers > > Dave & Nancy > Swan Song > Roughwater 58 > Caribbean Tour 2006 > _______________________________________________ > Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com