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Bob Austin

Wed, May 3, 2006 10:14 PM

Paul,
This is what I have also been looking for. Jeff Seigel had mentioned the
Buzzards Bay 33 but this has a 12 foot beam, and costs $280,000 base price. I
have inquired, but they are not at all interested in a smaller version.

The Buzzard Bay 33 has a queen sized bed in the center and entrances on each
side--one of which is the head and shower and is available with or without a
wall on the head size. We are interested in a bunk we can get into from each
side (so we are not crawling over. It also has a pilothouse, with a good
sized galley and L shaped settee/table.

The MC 30 has a crawl in bunk, no pilot house, and is over 9' beam.

The Glacier Bay is a good hull; there was a 25 built around the late 90's
which has a bunk in the middle, but no real galley or pilot house. The older
Glacier Bay's have a slightly different hull (no "tracking pads")--which
apparently makes a difference in handling. One of the beauties of the Glacier
Bay, is that there is a "walk around" deck wide enough to really walk on--but
that takes a foot out of the cabin width and thus the dinette, galley and
storage are less. The idea of extending the cabin on the Glacier Bay has
occured to us, but most of the older boats have two stroke engines and by the
time the modifications are made and the new engines are purchased, the cost
becomes considerable...

We are going to sea trial a second TomCat 255 tomarrow--this has Suziki's
150's. The boat is light, with no compressor in the stern or dive tanks.
Hopefully we will find some chop and maybe some swells and see what trimming
the boat bow down does. Even the dealer admits that the boat is noisey in any
chop from impact of the waves on the flat sections of the hull.

Bob Austin

Paul, This is what I have also been looking for. Jeff Seigel had mentioned the Buzzards Bay 33 but this has a 12 foot beam, and costs $280,000 base price. I have inquired, but they are not at all interested in a smaller version. The Buzzard Bay 33 has a queen sized bed in the center and entrances on each side--one of which is the head and shower and is available with or without a wall on the head size. We are interested in a bunk we can get into from each side (so we are not crawling over. It also has a pilothouse, with a good sized galley and L shaped settee/table. The MC 30 has a crawl in bunk, no pilot house, and is over 9' beam. The Glacier Bay is a good hull; there was a 25 built around the late 90's which has a bunk in the middle, but no real galley or pilot house. The older Glacier Bay's have a slightly different hull (no "tracking pads")--which apparently makes a difference in handling. One of the beauties of the Glacier Bay, is that there is a "walk around" deck wide enough to really walk on--but that takes a foot out of the cabin width and thus the dinette, galley and storage are less. The idea of extending the cabin on the Glacier Bay has occured to us, but most of the older boats have two stroke engines and by the time the modifications are made and the new engines are purchased, the cost becomes considerable... We are going to sea trial a second TomCat 255 tomarrow--this has Suziki's 150's. The boat is light, with no compressor in the stern or dive tanks. Hopefully we will find some chop and maybe some swells and see what trimming the boat bow down does. Even the dealer admits that the boat is noisey in any chop from impact of the waves on the flat sections of the hull. Bob Austin

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Mark

Wed, May 3, 2006 10:22 PM

Just a thought, what about adding a foil (e.g. hysucat) to the TomCat, that would give you a little more swell clearance at speed, dampen the chop a bit, and perhaps allow you to run with smaller engines/less fuel.

Bob Austin thataway4@cox.net wrote: Paul,
This is what I have also been looking for. Jeff Seigel had mentioned the
Buzzards Bay 33 but this has a 12 foot beam, and costs $280,000 base price. I
have inquired, but they are not at all interested in a smaller version.

The Buzzard Bay 33 has a queen sized bed in the center and entrances on each
side--one of which is the head and shower and is available with or without a
wall on the head size. We are interested in a bunk we can get into from each
side (so we are not crawling over. It also has a pilothouse, with a good
sized galley and L shaped settee/table.

The MC 30 has a crawl in bunk, no pilot house, and is over 9' beam.

The Glacier Bay is a good hull; there was a 25 built around the late 90's
which has a bunk in the middle, but no real galley or pilot house. The older
Glacier Bay's have a slightly different hull (no "tracking pads")--which
apparently makes a difference in handling. One of the beauties of the Glacier
Bay, is that there is a "walk around" deck wide enough to really walk on--but
that takes a foot out of the cabin width and thus the dinette, galley and
storage are less. The idea of extending the cabin on the Glacier Bay has
occured to us, but most of the older boats have two stroke engines and by the
time the modifications are made and the new engines are purchased, the cost
becomes considerable...

We are going to sea trial a second TomCat 255 tomarrow--this has Suziki's
150's. The boat is light, with no compressor in the stern or dive tanks.
Hopefully we will find some chop and maybe some swells and see what trimming
the boat bow down does. Even the dealer admits that the boat is noisey in any
chop from impact of the waves on the flat sections of the hull.

Bob Austin

Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Just a thought, what about adding a foil (e.g. hysucat) to the TomCat, that would give you a little more swell clearance at speed, dampen the chop a bit, and perhaps allow you to run with smaller engines/less fuel. Bob Austin <thataway4@cox.net> wrote: Paul, This is what I have also been looking for. Jeff Seigel had mentioned the Buzzards Bay 33 but this has a 12 foot beam, and costs $280,000 base price. I have inquired, but they are not at all interested in a smaller version. The Buzzard Bay 33 has a queen sized bed in the center and entrances on each side--one of which is the head and shower and is available with or without a wall on the head size. We are interested in a bunk we can get into from each side (so we are not crawling over. It also has a pilothouse, with a good sized galley and L shaped settee/table. The MC 30 has a crawl in bunk, no pilot house, and is over 9' beam. The Glacier Bay is a good hull; there was a 25 built around the late 90's which has a bunk in the middle, but no real galley or pilot house. The older Glacier Bay's have a slightly different hull (no "tracking pads")--which apparently makes a difference in handling. One of the beauties of the Glacier Bay, is that there is a "walk around" deck wide enough to really walk on--but that takes a foot out of the cabin width and thus the dinette, galley and storage are less. The idea of extending the cabin on the Glacier Bay has occured to us, but most of the older boats have two stroke engines and by the time the modifications are made and the new engines are purchased, the cost becomes considerable... We are going to sea trial a second TomCat 255 tomarrow--this has Suziki's 150's. The boat is light, with no compressor in the stern or dive tanks. Hopefully we will find some chop and maybe some swells and see what trimming the boat bow down does. Even the dealer admits that the boat is noisey in any chop from impact of the waves on the flat sections of the hull. Bob Austin _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List

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Mark

Thu, May 4, 2006 2:49 PM

Bob,

I remember you commenting about your firm requirement to stay under 8'6", can you elaborate on the difficulties going up to 10, 12, 14'?

I thought in most places with a permit you could go to 10 or 12 without much hassle.

Thanks

Mark

Bob Austin thataway4@cox.net wrote: Paul,
This is what I have also been looking for. Jeff Seigel had mentioned the
Buzzards Bay 33 but this has a 12 foot beam, and costs $280,000 base price. I
have inquired, but they are not at all interested in a smaller version.

The Buzzard Bay 33 has a queen sized bed in the center and entrances on each
side--one of which is the head and shower and is available with or without a
wall on the head size. We are interested in a bunk we can get into from each
side (so we are not crawling over. It also has a pilothouse, with a good
sized galley and L shaped settee/table.

The MC 30 has a crawl in bunk, no pilot house, and is over 9' beam.

The Glacier Bay is a good hull; there was a 25 built around the late 90's
which has a bunk in the middle, but no real galley or pilot house. The older
Glacier Bay's have a slightly different hull (no "tracking pads")--which
apparently makes a difference in handling. One of the beauties of the Glacier
Bay, is that there is a "walk around" deck wide enough to really walk on--but
that takes a foot out of the cabin width and thus the dinette, galley and
storage are less. The idea of extending the cabin on the Glacier Bay has
occured to us, but most of the older boats have two stroke engines and by the
time the modifications are made and the new engines are purchased, the cost
becomes considerable...

We are going to sea trial a second TomCat 255 tomarrow--this has Suziki's
150's. The boat is light, with no compressor in the stern or dive tanks.
Hopefully we will find some chop and maybe some swells and see what trimming
the boat bow down does. Even the dealer admits that the boat is noisey in any
chop from impact of the waves on the flat sections of the hull.

Bob Austin

Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Bob, I remember you commenting about your firm requirement to stay under 8'6", can you elaborate on the difficulties going up to 10, 12, 14'? I thought in most places with a permit you could go to 10 or 12 without much hassle. Thanks Mark Bob Austin <thataway4@cox.net> wrote: Paul, This is what I have also been looking for. Jeff Seigel had mentioned the Buzzards Bay 33 but this has a 12 foot beam, and costs $280,000 base price. I have inquired, but they are not at all interested in a smaller version. The Buzzard Bay 33 has a queen sized bed in the center and entrances on each side--one of which is the head and shower and is available with or without a wall on the head size. We are interested in a bunk we can get into from each side (so we are not crawling over. It also has a pilothouse, with a good sized galley and L shaped settee/table. The MC 30 has a crawl in bunk, no pilot house, and is over 9' beam. The Glacier Bay is a good hull; there was a 25 built around the late 90's which has a bunk in the middle, but no real galley or pilot house. The older Glacier Bay's have a slightly different hull (no "tracking pads")--which apparently makes a difference in handling. One of the beauties of the Glacier Bay, is that there is a "walk around" deck wide enough to really walk on--but that takes a foot out of the cabin width and thus the dinette, galley and storage are less. The idea of extending the cabin on the Glacier Bay has occured to us, but most of the older boats have two stroke engines and by the time the modifications are made and the new engines are purchased, the cost becomes considerable... We are going to sea trial a second TomCat 255 tomarrow--this has Suziki's 150's. The boat is light, with no compressor in the stern or dive tanks. Hopefully we will find some chop and maybe some swells and see what trimming the boat bow down does. Even the dealer admits that the boat is noisey in any chop from impact of the waves on the flat sections of the hull. Bob Austin _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List

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Scott Karren

Thu, May 4, 2006 2:51 PM

I have an MC30 which is just under 10 feet wide. In Washington State, that means I am required to get a special permit. You can buy the permit for a day, month or year. Cost is about $360 a year. No signs or flag cars are required, but some roads in the state have date and time restrictions.

I keep my MC30 on its trailler about a half a mile from the marina. No one cares about the permit between my storage site and the marina.

Scott Karren
Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark mark424x@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:49:09
To:Power Catamaran List power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] the pain of > 8'6" beam ?

Bob,

I remember you commenting about your firm requirement to stay under 8'6", can you elaborate on the difficulties going up to 10, 12, 14'?

I thought in most places with a permit you could go to 10 or 12 without much hassle.

Thanks

Mark

Bob Austin thataway4@cox.net wrote: Paul,
This is what I have also been looking for. Jeff Seigel had mentioned the
Buzzards Bay 33 but this has a 12 foot beam, and costs $280,000 base price. I
have inquired, but they are not at all interested in a smaller version.

The Buzzard Bay 33 has a queen sized bed in the center and entrances on each
side--one of which is the head and shower and is available with or without a
wall on the head size. We are interested in a bunk we can get into from each
side (so we are not crawling over. It also has a pilothouse, with a good
sized galley and L shaped settee/table.

The MC 30 has a crawl in bunk, no pilot house, and is over 9' beam.

The Glacier Bay is a good hull; there was a 25 built around the late 90's
which has a bunk in the middle, but no real galley or pilot house. The older
Glacier Bay's have a slightly different hull (no "tracking pads")--which
apparently makes a difference in handling. One of the beauties of the Glacier
Bay, is that there is a "walk around" deck wide enough to really walk on--but
that takes a foot out of the cabin width and thus the dinette, galley and
storage are less. The idea of extending the cabin on the Glacier Bay has
occured to us, but most of the older boats have two stroke engines and by the
time the modifications are made and the new engines are purchased, the cost
becomes considerable...

We are going to sea trial a second TomCat 255 tomarrow--this has Suziki's
150's. The boat is light, with no compressor in the stern or dive tanks.
Hopefully we will find some chop and maybe some swells and see what trimming
the boat bow down does. Even the dealer admits that the boat is noisey in any
chop from impact of the waves on the flat sections of the hull.

Bob Austin

Power-Catamaran Mailing List

I have an MC30 which is just under 10 feet wide. In Washington State, that means I am required to get a special permit. You can buy the permit for a day, month or year. Cost is about $360 a year. No signs or flag cars are required, but some roads in the state have date and time restrictions. I keep my MC30 on its trailler about a half a mile from the marina. No one cares about the permit between my storage site and the marina. Scott Karren Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile. -----Original Message----- From: Mark <mark424x@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:49:09 To:Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: [PCW] the pain of > 8'6" beam ? Bob, I remember you commenting about your firm requirement to stay under 8'6", can you elaborate on the difficulties going up to 10, 12, 14'? I thought in most places with a permit you could go to 10 or 12 without much hassle. Thanks Mark Bob Austin <thataway4@cox.net> wrote: Paul, This is what I have also been looking for. Jeff Seigel had mentioned the Buzzards Bay 33 but this has a 12 foot beam, and costs $280,000 base price. I have inquired, but they are not at all interested in a smaller version. The Buzzard Bay 33 has a queen sized bed in the center and entrances on each side--one of which is the head and shower and is available with or without a wall on the head size. We are interested in a bunk we can get into from each side (so we are not crawling over. It also has a pilothouse, with a good sized galley and L shaped settee/table. The MC 30 has a crawl in bunk, no pilot house, and is over 9' beam. The Glacier Bay is a good hull; there was a 25 built around the late 90's which has a bunk in the middle, but no real galley or pilot house. The older Glacier Bay's have a slightly different hull (no "tracking pads")--which apparently makes a difference in handling. One of the beauties of the Glacier Bay, is that there is a "walk around" deck wide enough to really walk on--but that takes a foot out of the cabin width and thus the dinette, galley and storage are less. The idea of extending the cabin on the Glacier Bay has occured to us, but most of the older boats have two stroke engines and by the time the modifications are made and the new engines are purchased, the cost becomes considerable... We are going to sea trial a second TomCat 255 tomarrow--this has Suziki's 150's. The boat is light, with no compressor in the stern or dive tanks. Hopefully we will find some chop and maybe some swells and see what trimming the boat bow down does. Even the dealer admits that the boat is noisey in any chop from impact of the waves on the flat sections of the hull. Bob Austin _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List

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