Re: [PCW] Sno' Dog performance

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HClews@aol.com
Wed, Aug 2, 2006 5:13 PM

Simple really (well, nothing's  that simple)...  Higher speed engines put out
more power  for less weight.  The 100-hp Yanmars on Sno' Dog weigh a mere 571
lbs  each (incl transmission).  A John Deere (4045DFM) for  example puts out
85-hp at 2500 RPM and weighs 960 pounds,  similar to other slow-revving models.

True, there's some sacrifice of  longevity, but not that much. How many
cruisers put 10,000  hours on their engines?

As for prop speed, yes, a larger,  slower-turning prop is more efficient.
But the transmission can be  used for this purpose by increasing the ratio.
Everything's a  compromise, a large prop requires more draft.  One of  the things
I like about the PDQ is the shallow 2'-4" draft.

I think one reason the PDQ is so  economical is its light weight.  Of course,
there are trade-offs. A  heavy trawler would probably outlast the PDQ in a
(very  long) endurance test. But it might well cost more in the end if  you
factor in initial cost plus added fuel consumption.

Henry

In a message dated 8/2/2006 12:33:52 P.M.  Eastern Daylight Time,
mark424x@yahoo.com writes:

A little  bit of a tangent, but I always wondered why some designs use high
RPM diesels,  e.g. WOT=3800, vs many sailboats or passamakers with the high
torque low rpm  diesels - I think these guys redline at <2500 rpm and generally
cruise in  the 1200-1800 rpm range.

It would seem you'd get better efficieny with  a slower turning prop with
large diameter and/or more pitch, especially if  your wot speed is <18-20.  Also
less noise, stress on the bearings,  etc.  Is  it cost, power-to-weight, or ??

Thanks.

D C  Mac Macdonald k2gkk@hotmail.com (mailto:k2gkk@hotmail.com)

Simple really (well, nothing's that simple)... Higher speed engines put out more power for less weight. The 100-hp Yanmars on Sno' Dog weigh a mere 571 lbs each (incl transmission). A John Deere (4045DFM) for example puts out 85-hp at 2500 RPM and weighs 960 pounds, similar to other slow-revving models. True, there's some sacrifice of longevity, but not that much. How many cruisers put 10,000 hours on their engines? As for prop speed, yes, a larger, slower-turning prop is more efficient. But the transmission can be used for this purpose by increasing the ratio. Everything's a compromise, a large prop requires more draft. One of the things I like about the PDQ is the shallow 2'-4" draft. I think one reason the PDQ is so economical is its light weight. Of course, there are trade-offs. A heavy trawler would probably outlast the PDQ in a (very long) endurance test. But it might well cost more in the end if you factor in initial cost plus added fuel consumption. Henry In a message dated 8/2/2006 12:33:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark424x@yahoo.com writes: A little bit of a tangent, but I always wondered why some designs use high RPM diesels, e.g. WOT=3800, vs many sailboats or passamakers with the high torque low rpm diesels - I think these guys redline at <2500 rpm and generally cruise in the 1200-1800 rpm range. It would seem you'd get better efficieny with a slower turning prop with large diameter and/or more pitch, especially if your wot speed is <18-20. Also less noise, stress on the bearings, etc. Is it cost, power-to-weight, or ?? Thanks. D C *Mac* Macdonald _k2gkk@hotmail.com_ (mailto:k2gkk@hotmail.com)
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mrchuckjohnson@aol.com
Thu, Aug 3, 2006 12:35 AM

I would like to know which power catamarans have Malcolm Tennant's described displacement hull and CS stern. I see lots of designs on Tennant's website and I expect that these are displacement hulls and CS sterns. I really do like the concept and it seems that the Glacier Bay boats have show that full displacement boats do go fast. But I am a little uncomfortable ordering a one-off boat without a company to hold my hand.

Do any of the production boats (PDQ, Lagoon, Fontaine-Pajot, Catana, Privilege, Manta, Endeavor) have these displacement hulls and CS sterns? Or one or the other?

I sent Tennant's article to PDQ months ago and asked them to relate it to the PDQ 34, but got no reply. I suspect that these boats have some sort of semi-displacement/planing hulls to satisfy the need for speed and room in the hulls.


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I would like to know which power catamarans have Malcolm Tennant's described displacement hull and CS stern. I see lots of designs on Tennant's website and I expect that these are displacement hulls and CS sterns. I really do like the concept and it seems that the Glacier Bay boats have show that full displacement boats do go fast. But I am a little uncomfortable ordering a one-off boat without a company to hold my hand. Do any of the production boats (PDQ, Lagoon, Fontaine-Pajot, Catana, Privilege, Manta, Endeavor) have these displacement hulls and CS sterns? Or one or the other? I sent Tennant's article to PDQ months ago and asked them to relate it to the PDQ 34, but got no reply. I suspect that these boats have some sort of semi-displacement/planing hulls to satisfy the need for speed and room in the hulls. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out AOL.com today. Breaking news, video search, pictures, email and IM. All on demand. Always Free.