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fred@tug44.org

Fri, Feb 8, 2013 11:22 PM

Joe Roy,

There's the law, and then there's what you can usually get away with.

For example, Lake Champlain has the same requirements, they want a section
of pipe physically removed and stored not nearby. I have talked to quite a
number of trawler folks who told me all about the requirement and about the
heavy enforcement, though they were not stopped. In fact I have never
known anyone to have been stopped for this. I think they stopped one boat
20 years ago and he told the entire world all about it.

And I believe that a very large fraction of boats passing thru Lake
Champlain are in violation and don't get stopped.

Another thing I noticed, there are several pump-outs at NY Canals ports I
stop at dozens of times each season, and they are never in use. Never saw
anyone using them. One can guess what they all do instead.

I no longer bother disconnecting my pipes before entering Lake Champlain.
I don't pump over the side, because I do respect how beautiful the lake
water is, but ...

Back when I did used to disconnect it, I did it where the pipe goes up high
just before it drops to the thru hull fitting. I found it was not stinky
or nasty at all. The pipe is high and dry and the inside drips clean.

If your boat's plumbing doesn't include the high pipe, you may want to
consider pumping out, then refilling with fresh water, or canal/lake water,
then rock the boat a bit, and then pump out again. That'll give it a good
flush and remove any nasty stuff. It also helps keep your tank gauge
working.

If anyone reading this has ever gotten stopped and inspected on Lake
Champlain, please drop me a line, I'd be curious.

Fred
Tug 44
http://www.tug44.org/

From: "Joe Roy" joroy40@hotmail.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:23 PM
To: "great-loop@lists.trawlering.com" great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: GL: Canadian Regulations Re disconnecting MSD discharge piping

x--- snip ---x

The Information Notes reads: " Any overboard discharge as shown in options
2,3 and 4 will have to be disconnected and blanked before entering the
waters of Ontario." I find it hard to believe that Loopers would actually
disconnect any of this nasty piping before entering Canadian waters. Does
anyone have any definitive information for me on this issue? Joe

Joe Roy, There's the law, and then there's what you can usually get away with. For example, Lake Champlain has the same requirements, they want a section of pipe physically removed and stored not nearby. I have talked to quite a number of trawler folks who told me all about the requirement and about the heavy enforcement, though they were not stopped. In fact I have never known anyone to have been stopped for this. I think they stopped one boat 20 years ago and he told the entire world all about it. And I believe that a very large fraction of boats passing thru Lake Champlain are in violation and don't get stopped. Another thing I noticed, there are several pump-outs at NY Canals ports I stop at dozens of times each season, and they are never in use. Never saw anyone using them. One can guess what they all do instead. I no longer bother disconnecting my pipes before entering Lake Champlain. I don't pump over the side, because I do respect how beautiful the lake water is, but ... Back when I did used to disconnect it, I did it where the pipe goes up high just before it drops to the thru hull fitting. I found it was not stinky or nasty at all. The pipe is high and dry and the inside drips clean. If your boat's plumbing doesn't include the high pipe, you may want to consider pumping out, then refilling with fresh water, or canal/lake water, then rock the boat a bit, and then pump out again. That'll give it a good flush and remove any nasty stuff. It also helps keep your tank gauge working. If anyone reading this has ever gotten stopped and inspected on Lake Champlain, please drop me a line, I'd be curious. Fred Tug 44 http://www.tug44.org/ ---------------------------------------- From: "Joe Roy" <joroy40@hotmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2013 5:23 PM To: "great-loop@lists.trawlering.com" <great-loop@lists.trawlering.com> Subject: GL: Canadian Regulations Re disconnecting MSD discharge piping x--- snip ---x The Information Notes reads: " Any overboard discharge as shown in options 2,3 and 4 will have to be disconnected and blanked before entering the waters of Ontario." I find it hard to believe that Loopers would actually disconnect any of this nasty piping before entering Canadian waters. Does anyone have any definitive information for me on this issue? Joe

PL

Phil Little

Sat, Feb 9, 2013 1:56 AM

Nobody likes a nitpicker, BUT......

Dennis Bruckel wrote on the TWL in 2000:

http://lists.trawlering.com/pipermail/trawlers_lists.trawlering.com/2000-November/025051.html

He states:

"Having lived on Lake Champlain for many years and now visiting there annually
I can certify that they are exceedingly diligent in their efforts to limit
overboard discharge. You WILL be boarded, perhaps more than once,..."

Phil Little

--- On Fri, 2/8/13, fred@tug44.org fred@tug44.org wrote:

From: fred@tug44.org fred@tug44.org
Subject: Re: GL: Canadian Regulations Re disconnecting MSD discharge piping
To: "Joe Roy" joroy40@hotmail.com, "great-loop@lists.trawlering.com" great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Date: Friday, February 8, 2013, 5:22 PM