Don't understand how lecturing to a classroom of kids for an hour on Tosca
is working in close proximity.
Although Tosca is subversive. As is Nabucco.

Barry Wellman

S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology, FRSC              NetLab Director
Department of Sociology                  725 Spadina Avenue, Room 388
University of Toronto  Toronto Canada M5S 2J4  twitter:barrywellman
http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman            fax:+1-416-978-3963
Updating history:      http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php

On Sat, 20 Nov 2010, Richard Forno wrote:

Seems that it is not law in California for all adults working with youth to get finger printed.

California "authorizes" certain agencies to conduct background checks, but does not mandate it. It also offers the technology, but in exchange for a fee.

http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/agencies.php

Thus, it is a legitimizing process more than a surveillance measure.

Elise

On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Barry Wellman wrote:

I used to regard Michel Foucault as an angry, gay Euro-flake, but I'm
starting to develop the suspicion that someone read Discipline and Punish
and thought "what a marvelous idea". In this little event we are witnessing
an example of how various social institutions are being co-opted to become
agents of social control: require finger-prints that are going to be taken
by officially certified technicians, compared to official records and then
added to those records (I rather doubt that the fingerprints and the
associated data will simply be discarded); people having their finger prints
taken must submit currently valid identification, thus ensuring that they
are on record somewhere, in the system. We are all well aware of how social
position allows some deviants to escape labeling, but a proactive approach
such as this creates the impression that anyone can be a pedophile (or
terrorist, or racist, or..) contributing to a climate of suspicion.  No one
can be trusted so surveillance becomes the order of the day and data-mining
to identify miscreants before they can act comes to seem like a reasonable
and responsible approach. after all, anyone with nothing to hide should have
no objections to prudent measures to secure us all from imminent danger.  At
the same time we are told that the issues are too complex and the dangers
too dire and imminent to avoid taking actions; there are suggestions that
the democratic process is too cumbersome to effectively meet the challenges
and that we should rely on the judgment of experts, not unlike the scenarios
suggest by Robert Michels when he formulated his Iron Law of Oligarchy. In
the small event of getting finger-printed to assure everyone you are not a
pedophile we see larger social forces at work.

</rant off>

Robert E. Phelan

Sociologist and Itinerant Scholar

-----Original Message-----
From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org [mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org]
On Behalf Of Elise Paradis
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:21 PM
To: Barry Wellman
Cc: communication and information technology section asa; Richard Forno;
Steve Mann; jason nolan; Mann,Steve -- Steve Mann; aoir list
Subject: Re: [CITASA] [Air-L] Fw: New LA Opera Requirements for
Volunteers(fwd)

Seems that it is not law in California for all adults working with youth to
get finger printed.

California "authorizes" certain agencies to conduct background checks, but
does not mandate it. It also offers the technology, but in exchange for a
fee.

http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/agencies.php

Thus, it is a legitimizing process more than a surveillance measure.

Elise

On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Barry Wellman wrote:

is working in close proximity.

jason@jasonnolan.net,

volunteer roles is not uncommon these days.  I've seen that for high school
club mentors, coaches, Civil Air Patrol, and all sorts of other
youth-oriented activities.  15 years ago when I was still in CAP, I had to
be fingerprinted (with my own $$) and go through child leader and sexual
harrassment "training" provided by the organisation before I was allowed to
work with CAP cadets, even though I had just turned 23 at the time.

... at the very least, it's a good idea to find a few bad folks early.  But
I do think that this process is based on a desire to give parents some type
of impramatur that it's ok to let us work in close proximity with their
children during youth activities.  It's not 100% effective (no security or
screening process is) but it also gives the organisation some liability
coverage that they're "doing something" to try and protect kids.

spread your love and knowledge of opera, especially to children and youth.
In order to continue this outreach to young people, LA Opera now requires
that any volunteer who works with children or youth on behalf of LA Opera or
the Opera League gets fingerprinted and TB-tested whether you work with
children at schools, in the community or here at the Dorothy Chandler
Pavilion.

Monday, November 29th from 9:30-11:30am in Rehearsal Room 2 on the 4th floor
of the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. Even if you have fingerprints on file with
another agency, you must be fingerprinted again for our programs. The cost
to the volunteer is $71 and you can pay at that time by cash, money orders,
cashier checks or business checks payable to Federal Fingerprinting, Inc.
They do not accept personal checks or credit cards. At this time, you will
need to fill out the attached "Live Scan Form" (copies will be available in
the rehearsal room). You will also need to bring a valid government-issued
ID. To participate in the fingerprinting service, please RSVP to Kelly
Christ in Human Resources by email (kchrist@laopera.com) or telephone
(213.972.3140) by Wednesday, November 24th at 12 noon.

skin tests at the cost of $20 to volunteers. To get TB tested you can visit
any of their Los Angeles area clinics.  You just need to walk-in during that
clinic's regular hours and present them with the attached "US Healthworks TB
Authorization Form."  They will give you the test and require that you visit
them again in 3 days time for a reading.

Suite 100, Los Angeles, CA 90017. They are open from Monday through Friday
from 7:00am - 4:00pm and on Saturday from 7:00am - 1:00pm. If necessary, you
can reach them at (213) 401-1970.

clinic near you, you can visit their website at www.ushealthworks.com. Next
click, "Find a Medical Center" and select "California" from the drop-down
menu. You can then enter your address and click "Search."  Now click on the
location nearest to you and their address, office hours, contact numbers and
more information will be at your fingertips.

written evidence that you tested negative to LA Opera's Human Resources
Department (Attn: Kelly Christ, LA Opera, 135 North Grand Ave, Los Angeles,
CA 90012). If you tested negative within the past six months, you may send
that written evidence to LA Opera HR instead.

can still volunteer for many LA Opera and Opera League activities. However,
as of December 1st, 2010, LA Opera and the Opera League will only assign
volunteers to make school visits or participate in other activities
involving children to those volunteers who have completed these new
requirements. You will be eligible for assignments involving children as
soon as:

California's Dept. of Justice and the FBI)

negative TB test

will be eligible to volunteer in activities involving children just as soon
as these tasks are finalized.

Resources by email (kchrist@laopera.com) or telephone (213.972.3140).

people on behalf of LA Opera!

http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org

CITASA mailing list

CITASA@list.citasa.org

http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org

Mondo Cani!  We  live with what we are willing to tolerate as a people
and a nation.

Dave

From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org
[mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Robert E. Phelan
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 2:38 PM
To: 'Elise Paradis'; 'Barry Wellman'
Cc: 'communication and information technology section asa'; 'Richard
Forno'; 'Steve Mann'; 'jason nolan'; 'Mann,Steve -- Steve Mann'; 'aoir
list'
Subject: Re: [CITASA] [Air-L] Fw: New LA Opera Requirements
forVolunteers(fwd)

I used to regard Michel Foucault as an angry, gay Euro-flake, but I'm
starting to develop the suspicion that someone read Discipline and
Punish and thought "what a marvelous idea". In this little event we are
witnessing an example of how various social institutions are being
co-opted to become agents of social control: require finger-prints that
are going to be taken by officially certified technicians, compared to
official records and then added to those records (I rather doubt that
the fingerprints and the associated data will simply be discarded);
people having their finger prints taken must submit currently valid
identification, thus ensuring that they are on record somewhere, in the
system. We are all well aware of how social position allows some
deviants to escape labeling, but a proactive approach such as this
creates the impression that anyone can be a pedophile (or terrorist, or
racist, or....) contributing to a climate of suspicion.  No one can be
trusted so surveillance becomes the order of the day and data-mining to
identify miscreants before they can act comes to seem like a reasonable
and responsible approach... after all, anyone with nothing to hide
should have no objections to prudent measures to secure us all from
imminent danger.  At the same time we are told that the issues are too
complex and the dangers too dire and imminent to avoid taking actions;
there are suggestions that the democratic process is too cumbersome to
effectively meet the challenges and that we should rely on the judgment
of experts, not unlike the scenarios suggest by Robert Michels when he
formulated his Iron Law of Oligarchy. In the small event of getting
finger-printed to assure everyone you are not a pedophile we see larger
social forces at work.

</rant off>

Robert E. Phelan

Sociologist and Itinerant Scholar

-----Original Message-----
From: citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org
[mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org] On Behalf Of Elise Paradis
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:21 PM
To: Barry Wellman
Cc: communication and information technology section asa; Richard Forno;
Steve Mann; jason nolan; Mann,Steve -- Steve Mann; aoir list
Subject: Re: [CITASA] [Air-L] Fw: New LA Opera Requirements for
Volunteers(fwd)

Seems that it is not law in California for all adults working with youth
to get finger printed.

California "authorizes" certain agencies to conduct background checks,
but does not mandate it. It also offers the technology, but in exchange
for a fee.

http://ag.ca.gov/fingerprints/agencies.php

Thus, it is a legitimizing process more than a surveillance measure.

Elise

On Nov 20, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Barry Wellman wrote:

Tosca is working in close proximity.

jason@jasonnolan.net,

(fwd)

in volunteer roles is not uncommon these days.  I've seen that for high
school club mentors, coaches, Civil Air Patrol, and all sorts of other
youth-oriented activities.  15 years ago when I was still in CAP, I had
to be fingerprinted (with my own $$) and go through child leader and
sexual harrassment "training" provided by the organisation before I was
allowed to work with CAP cadets, even though I had just turned 23 at the
time.

all ... at the very least, it's a good idea to find a few bad folks
early.  But I do think that this process is based on a desire to give
parents some type of impramatur that it's ok to let us work in close
proximity with their children during youth activities.  It's not 100%
effective (no security or screening process is) but it also gives the
organisation some liability coverage that they're "doing something" to
try and protect kids.

this.

Director

388

twitter:barrywellman

fax:+1-416-978-3963

http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php

you spread your love and knowledge of opera, especially to children and
youth.  In order to continue this outreach to young people, LA Opera now
requires that any volunteer who works with children or youth on behalf
of LA Opera or the Opera League gets fingerprinted and TB-tested whether
you work with children at schools, in the community or here at the
Dorothy Chandler Pavilion.

campus on Monday, November 29th from 9:30-11:30am in Rehearsal Room 2 on
the 4th floor of the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion. Even if you have
fingerprints on file with another agency, you must be fingerprinted
again for our programs. The cost to the volunteer is $71 and you can pay
at that time by cash, money orders, cashier checks or business checks
payable to Federal Fingerprinting, Inc. They do not accept personal
checks or credit cards. At this time, you will need to fill out the
attached "Live Scan Form" (copies will be available in the rehearsal
room). You will also need to bring a valid government-issued ID. To
participate in the fingerprinting service, please RSVP to Kelly Christ
in Human Resources by email (kchrist@laopera.com) or telephone
(213.972.3140) by Wednesday, November 24th at 12 noon.

TB skin tests at the cost of $20 to volunteers. To get TB tested you can
visit any of their Los Angeles area clinics.  You just need to walk-in
during that clinic's regular hours and present them with the attached
"US Healthworks TB Authorization Form."  They will give you the test and
require that you visit them again in 3 days time for a reading.

Street Suite 100, Los Angeles, CA 90017. They are open from Monday
through Friday from 7:00am - 4:00pm and on Saturday from 7:00am -
1:00pm. If necessary, you can reach them at (213) 401-1970.

a clinic near you, you can visit their website at www.ushealthworks.com.
Next click, "Find a Medical Center" and select "California" from the
drop-down menu. You can then enter your address and click "Search."  Now
click on the location nearest to you and their address, office hours,
contact numbers and more information will be at your fingertips.

written evidence that you tested negative to LA Opera's Human Resources
Department (Attn: Kelly Christ, LA Opera, 135 North Grand Ave, Los
Angeles, CA 90012). If you tested negative within the past six months,
you may send that written evidence to LA Opera HR instead.

you can still volunteer for many LA Opera and Opera League activities.
However, as of December 1st, 2010, LA Opera and the Opera League will
only assign volunteers to make school visits or participate in other
activities involving children to those volunteers who have completed
these new requirements. You will be eligible for assignments involving
children as soon as:

California's Dept. of Justice and the FBI)

negative TB test

will be eligible to volunteer in activities involving children just as
soon as these tasks are finalized.

Human Resources by email (kchrist@laopera.com) or telephone
(213.972.3140).

young people on behalf of LA Opera!

http://aoir.org

http://listserv.aoir.org/listinfo.cgi/air-l-aoir.org

CITASA mailing list

CITASA@list.citasa.org

http://list.citasa.org/mailman/listinfo/citasa_list.citasa.org