Re: [PCW] Endeavour 48

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Pat Reischmann
Wed, Jan 20, 2010 7:39 PM

Well since you did, I will disagree. With finer hull shapes below the
waterline, the weight savings is not significant, particularly when you
compare the difficulty of laying up core with in a very radiused bottom and
the potential for delamination and potential water intrusion from one pin
hole. In wide flat planning hull shapes the argument has some merit, but I
think I would still opt for bulkheads and stringers in lieu of core. In a
catamaran displacement hull shape I see almost no merit to coring below the
waterline. I have built over 150 catamarans this way, a few have them have
been put on reefs and I would say the solid laminate bottom held up much
better that any cored laminate would have, unless it was a cored laminate of
the same weight.
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Subject: [PCW] Endeavour 48

Hi George,

Let's not start that, solid hulls versus cored hulls discussion again.
They
both have their pros and cons, but with today's technology and the
direction
boat building is going for cruising cats the cored hull wins hands down.

A] It is lighter and stronger and will stay together longer than a solid
hull hitting objects and pounding on rocks.
B] Light is good as weight is a catamarans nemesis and a lighter stronger
boat will be safer and burn less fuel.
C] With fuel prices not expected to go any way but up going further on the
same amount of fuel is a big plus for cruising cats.

Oops!  Sorry I didn't mean to start this discussion.

Graham
graham@trawlercatmarine.commailto:graham@trawlercatmarine.com

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Posted on behalf of "GB" <gjbrandes@gmail.commailto:gjbrandes@gmail.com>:

Robert, I own an Endeavour 48 for two years now and can tell you the
people that are telling you the boat is a bay boat, do not know what
they are
talking about or are the sour grapes kind of people.

My wife and I have cruised a considerable time in blue water crossings
including in seas up to 10/12 feet so far (not by choice) and were never
concern with our safety doing 16 kts. These boat enjoys speed in rough
seas. The waves get sort of crushed under the boat giving it a soft ride

This is our second Endeavour. We used to have a Trawler cat 44 and
bought the 48 to be able to cruise in larger seas in more comfort.  As
you may
know, a 6 foot sea is a normal state of the ocean in most areas.

I may agree that Endeavour boats may not be the nicest looking
catamarans but they are well divided and functional, safe, with easy
access to all
systems, a solid glass hull below the water line to avoid water
insertion into a core material like in some other cats and with 3.3
feet of
draft for a 50 foot boat, I think its pretty neat.

We were sailors before the two ENDEAVOURS, and owned a Catana 44 sailing
cat (with a core hull below the water line), in which we cruised the
Mediterranean and the Caribbean.

Any questions you may have, please just ask
signal46@gmail.commailto:signal46@gmail.com

Regards,

George



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Well since you did, I will disagree. With finer hull shapes below the waterline, the weight savings is not significant, particularly when you compare the difficulty of laying up core with in a very radiused bottom and the potential for delamination and potential water intrusion from one pin hole. In wide flat planning hull shapes the argument has some merit, but I think I would still opt for bulkheads and stringers in lieu of core. In a catamaran displacement hull shape I see almost no merit to coring below the waterline. I have built over 150 catamarans this way, a few have them have been put on reefs and I would say the solid laminate bottom held up much better that any cored laminate would have, unless it was a cored laminate of the same weight. ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham<mailto:graham@trawlercatmarine.com> To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:17 PM Subject: [PCW] Endeavour 48 Hi George, Let's not start that, solid hulls versus cored hulls discussion again. They both have their pros and cons, but with today's technology and the direction boat building is going for cruising cats the cored hull wins hands down. A] It is lighter and stronger and will stay together longer than a solid hull hitting objects and pounding on rocks. B] Light is good as weight is a catamarans nemesis and a lighter stronger boat will be safer and burn less fuel. C] With fuel prices not expected to go any way but up going further on the same amount of fuel is a big plus for cruising cats. Oops! Sorry I didn't mean to start this discussion. Graham graham@trawlercatmarine.com<mailto:graham@trawlercatmarine.com> -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces+graham=trawlercatmarine.com@lists.samurai.com<mailto: power-catamaran-bounces+graham=trawlercatmarine.com@lists.samurai.com> [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces+graham=trawlercatmarine.com@lists.samurai.c o m] On Behalf Of power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran-request@list s.samurai.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:00 PM To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Power-Catamaran Digest, Vol 57, Issue 16 Send Power-Catamaran mailing list submissions to power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/power-catamaran<http://lists.samu rai.com/mailman/listinfo/power-catamaran> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to power-catamaran-request@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran-request@li sts.samurai.com> You can reach the person managing the list at power-catamaran-owner@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran-owner@lists. samurai.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Power-Catamaran digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Endeavour 48 (power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lis ts.samurai.com>) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:29:50 -0500 From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@list s.samurai.com> To: power-catamaran-owner@lists.samurai.com<mailto:power-catamaran-owner@lists.sa murai.com> Subject: [PCW] Endeavour 48 Message-ID: <mailman.346.1263900590.95443.power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com<mailto:mail man.346.1263900590.95443.power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Posted on behalf of "GB" <gjbrandes@gmail.com<mailto:gjbrandes@gmail.com>>: Robert, I own an Endeavour 48 for two years now and can tell you the people that are telling you the boat is a bay boat, do not know what they are talking about or are the sour grapes kind of people. My wife and I have cruised a considerable time in blue water crossings including in seas up to 10/12 feet so far (not by choice) and were never concern with our safety doing 16 kts. These boat enjoys speed in rough seas. The waves get sort of crushed under the boat giving it a soft ride This is our second Endeavour. We used to have a Trawler cat 44 and bought the 48 to be able to cruise in larger seas in more comfort. As you may know, a 6 foot sea is a normal state of the ocean in most areas. I may agree that Endeavour boats may not be the nicest looking catamarans but they are well divided and functional, safe, with easy access to all systems, a solid glass hull below the water line to avoid water insertion into a core material like in some other cats and with 3.3 feet of draft for a 50 foot boat, I think its pretty neat. We were sailors before the two ENDEAVOURS, and owned a Catana 44 sailing cat (with a core hull below the water line), in which we cruised the Mediterranean and the Caribbean. Any questions you may have, please just ask signal46@gmail.com<mailto:signal46@gmail.com> Regards, George ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List End of Power-Catamaran Digest, Vol 57, Issue 16 *********************************************** _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List