Re: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
Thanks Garrett, below is a copy of what I received from the buyer,
doesn't look too encouraging (?)
"I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to you; it took me several
days to do research and catch up with the surveyor. The surveyor
indicated that a piece of plywood had been bolted to the transom and so
he checked and found moisture on the transom as well. This indicates
that the moisture started in the transom and spread to the stringers,
which is often the case. That moisture may have penetrated well towards
the cockpit or beyond affecting the full structure of the hull.
Estimates to repair this problem range from $10k to $15K or more."
Mervyn Carr, CPIM
GE
Water and Process Technologies
I.T. Project Manager
ZENON Membrane Solutions
T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
M + 1 905 334 7748
F + 1 905 465 3050
mcarr@zenon.com
www.zenon.com
3239 Dundas Street West
Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
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From: Garrett Lambert [mailto:garrettlambert@shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:09 AM
To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
Hi Mervyn
It's worth getting an estimate to repair/replace the damaged areas.
If the wooden stringers are encapsulated in fiberglass, a good surveyor
would probably have told the buyer that this problem is present in
almost
all older boats. He might also have offered the advice that it is not a
significant deficiency, because the stringers' strength is in the glass.
Even so, the report would leave a buyer uncomfortable. (Been there,
done
that.) A price reduction for the 'cosmetic problem' might re-kindle
interest.
You can also have encapsulated stringers repaired - injected - for not
much
more than plain wooden ones. The big expense is what has to come out to
get
at the affected area(s) and then be replaced, and that' usually the
engine.
(This problem seems to almost always start with leaks at the engine
mounts.)
Since you seem able to remove the engine yourself...
Cheers, Garrett
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From: "Carr, Mervyn" mcarr@zenon.com
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
I have a 1987 Peterborough cruiser for sale. I had a firm buyer
(subject
to survey). Unfortunately the survey turned up very high moisture
levels
in the engine room stringers and the buyer has (understandably) backed
out. I am reluctant to sell her to an "innocent victim" knowing what I
now know.
The engine though is in great shape as is the interior. My current
thinking is to effectively scrap the boat and sell off the engine,
outdrive etc.
Engine is a 5.7 liter (Chev) OMC unit with a little over 1000 hours,
with OMC outdrive..
I am open to offers as I don't really want to own two boats (and store
and winterize two boats) or does anyone else have any bright ideas?
(The
starter has also decided to die in the last couple of days!)
Mervyn Carr
GE
Water and Process Technologies
I.T. Project Manager
ZENON Membrane Solutions
T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
M + 1 905 334 7748
F + 1 905 465 3050
mcarr@zenon.com
www.zenon.com
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Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
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Hi Mervyn
Ah, the rot's much more extensive than just in the stringers. The problem is
that once you start to take things apart, you're almost certainly going to
find other issues, so where do you stop?
Now you're down to determining if the boat's worth repairing. From your
first posting, unless you want to do the work yourself - and it's a big,
ugly job - the answer appears to be negative.
Cheers, Garrett
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From: "Carr, Mervyn" mcarr@zenon.com
To: "Garrett Lambert" garrettlambert@shaw.ca;
trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: RE: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
Thanks Garrett, below is a copy of what I received from the buyer,
doesn't look too encouraging (?)
"I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to you; it took me several
days to do research and catch up with the surveyor. The surveyor
indicated that a piece of plywood had been bolted to the transom and so
he checked and found moisture on the transom as well. This indicates
that the moisture started in the transom and spread to the stringers,
which is often the case. That moisture may have penetrated well towards
the cockpit or beyond affecting the full structure of the hull.
Estimates to repair this problem range from $10k to $15K or more."
Mervyn Carr, CPIM
GE
Water and Process Technologies
I.T. Project Manager
ZENON Membrane Solutions
T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
M + 1 905 334 7748
F + 1 905 465 3050
mcarr@zenon.com
www.zenon.com
3239 Dundas Street West
Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: Garrett Lambert [mailto:garrettlambert@shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:09 AM
To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
Hi Mervyn
It's worth getting an estimate to repair/replace the damaged areas.
If the wooden stringers are encapsulated in fiberglass, a good surveyor
would probably have told the buyer that this problem is present in
almost
all older boats. He might also have offered the advice that it is not a
significant deficiency, because the stringers' strength is in the glass.
Even so, the report would leave a buyer uncomfortable. (Been there,
done
that.) A price reduction for the 'cosmetic problem' might re-kindle
interest.
You can also have encapsulated stringers repaired - injected - for not
much
more than plain wooden ones. The big expense is what has to come out to
get
at the affected area(s) and then be replaced, and that' usually the
engine.
(This problem seems to almost always start with leaks at the engine
mounts.)
Since you seem able to remove the engine yourself...
Cheers, Garrett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carr, Mervyn" mcarr@zenon.com
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
I have a 1987 Peterborough cruiser for sale. I had a firm buyer
(subject
to survey). Unfortunately the survey turned up very high moisture
levels
in the engine room stringers and the buyer has (understandably) backed
out. I am reluctant to sell her to an "innocent victim" knowing what I
now know.
The engine though is in great shape as is the interior. My current
thinking is to effectively scrap the boat and sell off the engine,
outdrive etc.
Engine is a 5.7 liter (Chev) OMC unit with a little over 1000 hours,
with OMC outdrive..
I am open to offers as I don't really want to own two boats (and store
and winterize two boats) or does anyone else have any bright ideas?
(The
starter has also decided to die in the last couple of days!)
Mervyn Carr
GE
Water and Process Technologies
I.T. Project Manager
ZENON Membrane Solutions
T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
M + 1 905 334 7748
F + 1 905 465 3050
mcarr@zenon.com
www.zenon.com
3239 Dundas Street West
Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
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Hi Mervyn
Ah, the rot's much more extensive than just in the stringers. The problem is
that once you start to take things apart, you're almost certainly going to
find other issues, so where do you stop?
Now you're down to determining if the boat's worth repairing. From your
first posting, unless you want to do the work yourself - and it's a big,
ugly job - the answer appears to be negative.
Cheers, Garrett
I agree with Garrett. We had a moisture problem in our aft cabin and head.
We are already up to $50,000 and over 10 months with more time and money to
be spent. The original estimate was far lower but once the yard really got
into it, the damage was much more extensive than originally thought. If you
don't own the boat yet, my advice would be to keep looking.
Joyce Colwell
I'm sorry. Didn't read the entire email from Mervyn. If you get into doing
the work yourself, you may well wish you hadn't if the damage proves to be
more extensive and having someone else do it will certainly prove more
expensive, probably.
Hi Mervyn
Ah, the rot's much more extensive than just in the stringers. The problem
is
that once you start to take things apart, you're almost certainly going to
find other issues, so where do you stop?
Now you're down to determining if the boat's worth repairing. From your
first posting, unless you want to do the work yourself - and it's a big,
ugly job - the answer appears to be negative.
Cheers, Garrett
I agree with Garrett. We had a moisture problem in our aft cabin and
head.
We are already up to $50,000 and over 10 months with more time and money
to
be spent. The original estimate was far lower but once the yard really
got
into it, the damage was much more extensive than originally thought. If
you
don't own the boat yet, my advice would be to keep looking.
Joyce Colwell
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Mervyn,
Sorry to hear about the bad news from a surveyor. The exist a ton of
experience here on the list. Guess if it were me, I would engage a
professional to see just how much rot is preset. It is one thing to have
water detected by a 'meter' and another to find out how much actual damage
has been inflicted. You could find that any rot area is small and feasible
to fix, and then fix the problem of water getting in.
On another note, I see you are involved with Zenon, I would appreciate your
opinion of that product as it would relate to a cruising boat. Currently I
utilize a SeaGull filtration system which as I understand it is a very good
filtration unit although the filters are upwards of $70 each and need
replacing about every 8 months with my usage. Looked at the web site but
didn't find anything that I thought would fit the bill.
Thanks,
Jeff on Southern Nights
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Carr, Mervyn
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:38 AM
To: Garrett Lambert; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
Thanks Garrett, below is a copy of what I received from the buyer,
doesn't look too encouraging (?)
"I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to you; it took me several
days to do research and catch up with the surveyor. The surveyor
indicated that a piece of plywood had been bolted to the transom and so
he checked and found moisture on the transom as well. This indicates
that the moisture started in the transom and spread to the stringers,
which is often the case. That moisture may have penetrated well towards
the cockpit or beyond affecting the full structure of the hull.
Estimates to repair this problem range from $10k to $15K or more."
Mervyn Carr, CPIM
GE
Water and Process Technologies
I.T. Project Manager
ZENON Membrane Solutions
T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
M + 1 905 334 7748
F + 1 905 465 3050
mcarr@zenon.com
www.zenon.com
3239 Dundas Street West
Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
-----Original Message-----
From: Garrett Lambert [mailto:garrettlambert@shaw.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:09 AM
To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Subject: Re: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
Hi Mervyn
It's worth getting an estimate to repair/replace the damaged areas.
If the wooden stringers are encapsulated in fiberglass, a good surveyor
would probably have told the buyer that this problem is present in
almost
all older boats. He might also have offered the advice that it is not a
significant deficiency, because the stringers' strength is in the glass.
Even so, the report would leave a buyer uncomfortable. (Been there,
done
that.) A price reduction for the 'cosmetic problem' might re-kindle
interest.
You can also have encapsulated stringers repaired - injected - for not
much
more than plain wooden ones. The big expense is what has to come out to
get
at the affected area(s) and then be replaced, and that' usually the
engine.
(This problem seems to almost always start with leaks at the engine
mounts.)
Since you seem able to remove the engine yourself...
Cheers, Garrett
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carr, Mervyn" mcarr@zenon.com
To: trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:06 AM
Subject: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma
I have a 1987 Peterborough cruiser for sale. I had a firm buyer
(subject
to survey). Unfortunately the survey turned up very high moisture
levels
in the engine room stringers and the buyer has (understandably) backed
out. I am reluctant to sell her to an "innocent victim" knowing what I
now know.
The engine though is in great shape as is the interior. My current
thinking is to effectively scrap the boat and sell off the engine,
outdrive etc.
Engine is a 5.7 liter (Chev) OMC unit with a little over 1000 hours,
with OMC outdrive..
I am open to offers as I don't really want to own two boats (and store
and winterize two boats) or does anyone else have any bright ideas?
(The
starter has also decided to die in the last couple of days!)
Mervyn Carr
GE
Water and Process Technologies
I.T. Project Manager
ZENON Membrane Solutions
T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393
M + 1 905 334 7748
F + 1 905 465 3050
mcarr@zenon.com
www.zenon.com
3239 Dundas Street West
Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada
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