Re: Butch, a custom 29-foot passagemaker in design stage
Willy of Invader #1 wrote in private email intended as a post:
I noted the new addition to your signature. Rite on . I also
see you are thinking of the great white north for some cruising. Is
she designed to POP out of the ice if you get locked in < grin >.
Nah . . . probably not necessary, unless you were planning to remain
in an ice pack for several seasons.
Who is building the boat or have you just got to the design stage.
( Philbrooks )
Butch has been in the design stage for several years now, waiting for
the right aligment of time and money. As Butch will be small and
simple, I envision building her myself, using sub-contractors for all
work.
I like the idea of a 30 foot passagemaker. A naval architect
friend thought I was nuts when trying to draw one up and he to felt
36 feet was minimum. Even then at 36 feet he had a tough time
envisioning it.
With the better fuel burn from today's engines and lighter weight.
Along with some new technologies, items like fuel tanks nav
equipment are far reduced with respect to room needed. I see no
reason why 30 feet today would not provide the same as 36 feet from
yesterday.
You bet!
Back up engine? have you thought about something like a sail drive
right behind the rudder or possibly incorporated into the rudder.
Quite honestly, I haven't thought about a backup engine.
Michael Kasten had drawn a rig arrangement that will permit spreading
a few sails as get-home power, but I haven't bought into that yet.
Cost of almost everything is substantially reduced with 30 feet,
making it possible for some of us to enjoy extended passagemaking.
That's for sure!
Large boats are mighty appealing. Especially when they have the
pilothouse aft, trawler yachts such as the Nordhavn 72 can take my
breath away. On larger boats, I can really appreciate the many
systems and how wonderfully they have been engineered to round out
the boating experience.
But for me personally, happiness is a small and simple boat.
I think its a great concept for a production type vessel.
The market for boats like Butch is so tiny, I don't know if that
would be viable.
Butch, by the way, is what I call the design. Kasten feels he needs
to go with a more politically correct name, thus, he calls it Buster.
--Georgs
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Butch, a custom 29-foot passagemaker in design stage
http://www.kastenmarine.com/buster30.htm
[PUP] Re: Butch, a custom 29-foot passagemaker in design sGeorgs,
Wouldn't an outboard, perhaps the one used for the dinghy, have adequate thrust? There are mounts made which will bring the outboard out of the water keeping it relatively dry, unless it's needed. Propeller selection would also have to be considered.
Ron Rogers
Willard 40 AIRBORNE
Departing Annapolis Tuesday December 28th bound for New Bern, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Georgs Kolesnikovs
To: Passagemaking Under Power List
Back up engine? have you thought about something like a sail drive right behind the rudder or possibly incorporated into the rudder.
Quite honestly, I haven't thought about a backup engine.
Ron Rogers wrote, "Wouldn't an outboard, perhaps the one used for the
dinghy, have adequate thrust? There are mounts made which will bring the
outboard out of the water keeping it relatively dry, unless it's needed.
Propeller selection would also have to be considered."
I think the main problem with using an outboard as a get home drive, at
least on a diesel powered boat, is carrying enough gasoline to actually get
home, unless you are very close to port in which case you could call vessel
assist.
Regards;
Mike Schooley
Designing "Portager" a transportable trawler
[PUP] Re: Butch, a custom 29-foot passagemaker in design sQuite right, Mike. But it could buy time to make a repair by making the boat more stable. I've tried to fix a dislodged tiller arm on my boat in conflicting seas with the correct tools - couldn't do it owing to wave action. My engine was running to power the stabilizers and all I needed was some forward motion. Had to take outside help for the second time in my life. The first was a week before when the old tiller arm broke. Georgs, depending upon your destination, you could probably score a Yamaha diesel outboard, but they are heavy and expensive. Your sails plus an outboard ticking over could make a better course possible.
Ron Rogers
Willard 40 AIRBORNE
Departing Annapolis Wednesday December 29th bound for New Bern, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Schooley
Ron Rogers wrote, "Wouldn't an outboard, perhaps the one used for the dinghy, have adequate thrust? There are mounts made which will bring the outboard out of the water keeping it relatively dry, unless it's needed. Propeller selection would also have to be considered."
I think the main problem with using an outboard as a get home drive, at least on a diesel powered boat, is carrying enough gasoline to actually get home, unless you are very close to port in which case you could call vessel assist.
Ron Rogers wrote, "Quite right, Mike. But it could buy time to make a repair
by making the boat more stable."
OK, I'll buy that. Perhaps we would call it a get along drive, instead of a
get home drive?
Regards;
Mike Schooley
Designing "Portager" a transportable trawler