Thanks all for the advice. I am reluctant to start pouring any money into this one, she is only worth at most about 7k(cad), and the surveyors findings do make sense to me. We have also taken delivery of our new (to us) Mainship II 34. I don't want to be saddled with two boats right now and don't have the time to be restoring both either, hence my reasoning of scrapping her rather than undertaking a possible money pit of a project (make sense?) Mervyn Carr I.T. Project Manager Tel: 905-465-3030 ext 3393 -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Barfett <morganpilothouse@sbcglobal.net> To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Wed Sep 13 21:19:42 2006 Subject: RE: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma Mervyn, Sorry to hear about the bad news from a surveyor. The exist a ton of experience here on the list. Guess if it were me, I would engage a professional to see just how much rot is preset. It is one thing to have water detected by a 'meter' and another to find out how much actual damage has been inflicted. You could find that any rot area is small and feasible to fix, and then fix the problem of water getting in. On another note, I see you are involved with Zenon, I would appreciate your opinion of that product as it would relate to a cruising boat. Currently I utilize a SeaGull filtration system which as I understand it is a very good filtration unit although the filters are upwards of $70 each and need replacing about every 8 months with my usage. Looked at the web site but didn't find anything that I thought would fit the bill. Thanks, Jeff on Southern Nights -----Original Message----- From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Carr, Mervyn Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:38 AM To: Garrett Lambert; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma Thanks Garrett, below is a copy of what I received from the buyer, doesn't look too encouraging (?) "I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to you; it took me several days to do research and catch up with the surveyor. The surveyor indicated that a piece of plywood had been bolted to the transom and so he checked and found moisture on the transom as well. This indicates that the moisture started in the transom and spread to the stringers, which is often the case. That moisture may have penetrated well towards the cockpit or beyond affecting the full structure of the hull. Estimates to repair this problem range from $10k to $15K or more." Mervyn Carr, CPIM GE Water and Process Technologies I.T. Project Manager ZENON Membrane Solutions T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393 M + 1 905 334 7748 F + 1 905 465 3050 mcarr@zenon.com www.zenon.com 3239 Dundas Street West Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Lambert [mailto:garrettlambert@shaw.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:09 AM To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com Subject: Re: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma Hi Mervyn It's worth getting an estimate to repair/replace the damaged areas. If the wooden stringers are encapsulated in fiberglass, a good surveyor would probably have told the buyer that this problem is present in almost all older boats. He might also have offered the advice that it is not a significant deficiency, because the stringers' strength is in the glass. Even so, the report would leave a buyer uncomfortable. (Been there, done that.) A price reduction for the 'cosmetic problem' might re-kindle interest. You can also have encapsulated stringers repaired - injected - for not much more than plain wooden ones. The big expense is what has to come out to get at the affected area(s) and then be replaced, and that' usually the engine. (This problem seems to almost always start with leaks at the engine mounts.) Since you seem able to remove the engine yourself... Cheers, Garrett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carr, Mervyn" <mcarr@zenon.com> To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:06 AM Subject: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma >I have a 1987 Peterborough cruiser for sale. I had a firm buyer (subject > to survey). Unfortunately the survey turned up very high moisture levels > in the engine room stringers and the buyer has (understandably) backed > out. I am reluctant to sell her to an "innocent victim" knowing what I > now know. > > The engine though is in great shape as is the interior. My current > thinking is to effectively scrap the boat and sell off the engine, > outdrive etc. > > Engine is a 5.7 liter (Chev) OMC unit with a little over 1000 hours, > with OMC outdrive.. > > I am open to offers as I don't really want to own two boats (and store > and winterize two boats) or does anyone else have any bright ideas? (The > starter has also decided to die in the last couple of days!) > > Mervyn Carr > GE > Water and Process Technologies > I.T. 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Mervyn, it makes perfect sense. Put this one behind you and enjoy the new boat. Cheers, Garrett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carr, Mervyn" <mcarr@zenon.com> To: <morganpilothouse@sbcglobal.net>; <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: Re: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma > Thanks all for the advice. I am reluctant to start pouring any money into > this one, she is only worth at most about 7k(cad), and the surveyors > findings do make sense to me. > We have also taken delivery of our new (to us) Mainship II 34. I don't > want to be saddled with two boats right now and don't have the time to be > restoring both either, hence my reasoning of scrapping her rather than > undertaking a possible money pit of a project (make sense?) > Mervyn Carr > I.T. Project Manager > Tel: 905-465-3030 ext 3393 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Barfett <morganpilothouse@sbcglobal.net> > To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com > <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> > Sent: Wed Sep 13 21:19:42 2006 > Subject: RE: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma > > Mervyn, > > Sorry to hear about the bad news from a surveyor. The exist a ton of > experience here on the list. Guess if it were me, I would engage a > professional to see just how much rot is preset. It is one thing to have > water detected by a 'meter' and another to find out how much actual damage > has been inflicted. You could find that any rot area is small and feasible > to fix, and then fix the problem of water getting in. > > On another note, I see you are involved with Zenon, I would appreciate > your > opinion of that product as it would relate to a cruising boat. Currently I > utilize a SeaGull filtration system which as I understand it is a very > good > filtration unit although the filters are upwards of $70 each and need > replacing about every 8 months with my usage. Looked at the web site but > didn't find anything that I thought would fit the bill. > > Thanks, > Jeff on Southern Nights > > -----Original Message----- > From: trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com > [mailto:trawlers-and-trawlering-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of > Carr, Mervyn > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 10:38 AM > To: Garrett Lambert; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com > Subject: Re: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma > > Thanks Garrett, below is a copy of what I received from the buyer, > doesn't look too encouraging (?) > > "I am sorry it has taken so long to get back to you; it took me several > days to do research and catch up with the surveyor. The surveyor > indicated that a piece of plywood had been bolted to the transom and so > he checked and found moisture on the transom as well. This indicates > that the moisture started in the transom and spread to the stringers, > which is often the case. That moisture may have penetrated well towards > the cockpit or beyond affecting the full structure of the hull. > Estimates to repair this problem range from $10k to $15K or more." > > > Mervyn Carr, CPIM > GE > Water and Process Technologies > I.T. Project Manager > ZENON Membrane Solutions > > T + 1 905 465 3030 x 3393 > M + 1 905 334 7748 > F + 1 905 465 3050 > mcarr@zenon.com > www.zenon.com > > 3239 Dundas Street West > Oakville, Ontario, L6M 4B2, Canada > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garrett Lambert [mailto:garrettlambert@shaw.ca] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:09 AM > To: Carr, Mervyn; trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com > Subject: Re: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma > > Hi Mervyn > > It's worth getting an estimate to repair/replace the damaged areas. > > If the wooden stringers are encapsulated in fiberglass, a good surveyor > would probably have told the buyer that this problem is present in > almost > all older boats. He might also have offered the advice that it is not a > significant deficiency, because the stringers' strength is in the glass. > > Even so, the report would leave a buyer uncomfortable. (Been there, > done > that.) A price reduction for the 'cosmetic problem' might re-kindle > interest. > > You can also have encapsulated stringers repaired - injected - for not > much > more than plain wooden ones. The big expense is what has to come out to > get > at the affected area(s) and then be replaced, and that' usually the > engine. > (This problem seems to almost always start with leaks at the engine > mounts.) > Since you seem able to remove the engine yourself... > > Cheers, Garrett > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carr, Mervyn" <mcarr@zenon.com> > To: <trawlers-and-trawlering@lists.samurai.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 7:06 AM > Subject: T&T: 1987 Peterborough power cruiser dilemma > > >>I have a 1987 Peterborough cruiser for sale. I had a firm buyer > (subject >> to survey). Unfortunately the survey turned up very high moisture > levels >> in the engine room stringers and the buyer has (understandably) backed >> out. I am reluctant to sell her to an "innocent victim" knowing what I >> now know. >> >> The engine though is in great shape as is the interior. My current >> thinking is to effectively scrap the boat and sell off the engine, >> outdrive etc. >> >> Engine is a 5.7 liter (Chev) OMC unit with a little over 1000 hours, >> with OMC outdrive.. >> >> I am open to offers as I don't really want to own two boats (and store >> and winterize two boats) or does anyone else have any bright ideas? > (The >> starter has also decided to die in the last couple of days!) >> >> Mervyn Carr >> GE >> Water and Process Technologies >> I.T. 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Seems to me it's a question of open checkbook vs. sweat equity. If you've got to pay someone to solve the problem as Joyce has done you could be opening Pandora's box and Joyce's advice reflects hard realities. Fixing the stringers or adding enough glass to make the rot moot isn't rocket science, but takes a lot of sweat equity. If you aren't willing to do the work, then sell it as a "project boat". Junking the boat will also take a fair amount of work. I've got a 1990 GlasStream 190SE Bow Rider worth about $4,500 which needs a motor and an out-drive. Rather than mess with it, I'm simply going to put it in the paper as a project boat for $700. I'm getting too old to be hauling engines under shade trees, but lots of us old guys (and a few gals) like to "mess around in boats" as "water rat" from Wind in the Willows says. Regards.... Phil Rosch Old Harbor Consulting M/V "Curmudgeon" MT44 TC Currently lying Bond Creek, NC [Philip J. Rosch]