Fuel economy, Chrysalis across the Atlantic

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Candy Chapman and Gary Bell
Thu, Jan 17, 2008 7:48 PM

Ocean passage of 1,800 nautical miles:

	Chrysalis        Bluewater       Seahorse

Average speed    8.3 knots      6.2 knots          7.3 knots

Fuel consumption    4.0 gph    4.4 gph            3.24  gph

Time underway    9 days        12  days                10 days

Fuel burned    865 gal      1,275 gal                  757 gal.

Seahorse is a 1978  Skookum 53 motorboat with a Lugger 130HP engine. She is
built on a sailing hull  and equipped with paravanes, one of which was in use
for 4 days and both for three more.

Thanks, John, for adding to the knowledge base with real-world
numbers. The Skookum obviously is a very slippery monohull. It's also
somewhat smaller.

But your numbers do point out that, for trans-oceanic passagemaking,
power catamarans don't offer as huge an advantage in performance as
many people would expect. Power cats do of course have other
compelling features, such as space, comfort, stability, shallow
draft, etc.

Very interesting indeed Georgs.  Would an ocean crossing power catamaran
smaller than 50 feet long still have all those advantages like space,
comfort, etc.?  I still stand my my rather offhand previous statement
that the ocean passagemaking power catamaran is presently limited to the
larger boats in the greater than fifty foot lengths, and most
significantly with six figure prices.

The smaller power catamaran will be limited to coastal cruising until
somebody comes up with a revolutionary improvement so that the smaller
hull can hold enough fuel for long passages.  Slipping over to Fantasy
Land here for a moment, I note that fighter jets carry drop tanks which
carry considerable amounts of extra fuel held outside the
airframe/hull.  I don't want to trust in towing a fuel barge that could
be lost in bumpy weather, but how about a semi-submerged, or fully
submerged tank, rigidly slung between the hulls, or alternatively a pair
of such tanks firmly affixed to the bottom of each hull.  It/they could
be a good deal longer than the boat if desired, and fitted with
adjustable trimming floatation and/or water ballast.  One could perhaps
drop the tank when arriving in a coastal cruising destination.  It might
look rather like a modern submarine, or perhaps a torpedo, or like the
hull of a beach cat (think Hobie), or even like the hull form of the
host power catamaran...  A temporary trimaran if you like....

Of course there are a lot of other design choices present in
contemporary power catamarans that seem to me to limit them to nearshore
work.  They have features that would likely not fare well over the long
term in deep water storms.  Features like large windows; lengths and
beams that seem easier to capsize in large waves; hull strengths perhaps
inadequate for the long open water passages; or high speed hulls with
large thirsty engines.

Could a contemporary power catamaran design be modified to carry
sufficient fuel and have the features needed?  If so, would anybody in
their right minds build and try to market it?
I also stand by my previous suggestion of modifying the fuel tankeage
etc. of a suitable under fifty foot sail catamaran to gain the range
needed.  I know, it's not a power catamaran anymore, but I don't see a
non-sailing catamaran design under fifty feet long that would give me
the confidence for ocean crossing bluewater cruising.

Kite sails?  Have any of our listees actually seen one of these?  I
haven't noted much activity their web pages seem to me to still be
showing the same images I noted several years ago.

Cheers,
Gary Bell

Ocean passage of 1,800 nautical miles: >> Chrysalis Bluewater Seahorse >> >>Average speed 8.3 knots 6.2 knots 7.3 knots >> >>Fuel consumption 4.0 gph 4.4 gph 3.24 gph >> >>Time underway 9 days 12 days 10 days >> >>Fuel burned 865 gal 1,275 gal 757 gal. >> >>Seahorse is a 1978 Skookum 53 motorboat with a Lugger 130HP engine. She is >>built on a sailing hull and equipped with paravanes, one of which was in use >>for 4 days and both for three more. > > Thanks, John, for adding to the knowledge base with real-world numbers. The Skookum obviously is a very slippery monohull. It's also somewhat smaller. But your numbers do point out that, for trans-oceanic passagemaking, power catamarans don't offer as huge an advantage in performance as many people would expect. Power cats do of course have other compelling features, such as space, comfort, stability, shallow draft, etc. Very interesting indeed Georgs. Would an ocean crossing power catamaran smaller than 50 feet long still have all those advantages like space, comfort, etc.? I still stand my my rather offhand previous statement that the ocean passagemaking power catamaran is presently limited to the larger boats in the greater than fifty foot lengths, and most significantly with six figure prices. The smaller power catamaran will be limited to coastal cruising until somebody comes up with a revolutionary improvement so that the smaller hull can hold enough fuel for long passages. Slipping over to Fantasy Land here for a moment, I note that fighter jets carry drop tanks which carry considerable amounts of extra fuel held outside the airframe/hull. I don't want to trust in towing a fuel barge that could be lost in bumpy weather, but how about a semi-submerged, or fully submerged tank, rigidly slung between the hulls, or alternatively a pair of such tanks firmly affixed to the bottom of each hull. It/they could be a good deal longer than the boat if desired, and fitted with adjustable trimming floatation and/or water ballast. One could perhaps drop the tank when arriving in a coastal cruising destination. It might look rather like a modern submarine, or perhaps a torpedo, or like the hull of a beach cat (think Hobie), or even like the hull form of the host power catamaran... A temporary trimaran if you like.... Of course there are a lot of other design choices present in contemporary power catamarans that seem to me to limit them to nearshore work. They have features that would likely not fare well over the long term in deep water storms. Features like large windows; lengths and beams that seem easier to capsize in large waves; hull strengths perhaps inadequate for the long open water passages; or high speed hulls with large thirsty engines. Could a contemporary power catamaran design be modified to carry sufficient fuel and have the features needed? If so, would anybody in their right minds build and try to market it? I also stand by my previous suggestion of modifying the fuel tankeage etc. of a suitable under fifty foot sail catamaran to gain the range needed. I know, it's not a power catamaran anymore, but I don't see a non-sailing catamaran design under fifty feet long that would give me the confidence for ocean crossing bluewater cruising. Kite sails? Have any of our listees actually seen one of these? I haven't noted much activity their web pages seem to me to still be showing the same images I noted several years ago. Cheers, Gary Bell
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Thu, Jan 17, 2008 8:14 PM

Gary Bell wrote:

I don't see a
non-sailing catamaran design under fifty feet long that would give me
the confidence for ocean crossing bluewater cruising.

Production power cats are definitely coastal and inland animals. I'm
not aware of any production boat that has the range--never mind other
capabilities--to cross an ocean.

All the pioneers in passagemaking in powered multihulls--Dennis
Raedeke with Wild Wind IV, the Petersens with Chrysalis, Steve
Shidler with Water Wizard--have been custom builds.

The only exceptions are the outboard-powered production cats--Glacier
Bay, World Cat, Renaissance Prowler--that have made record-setting
runs to Bermuda from New York.

Even if the jury still is out on ocean-crossing, for coastal and
inland cruising is there anything better than a power cat?

--Georgs

Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatamaranworld.com

Gary Bell wrote: >I don't see a >non-sailing catamaran design under fifty feet long that would give me >the confidence for ocean crossing bluewater cruising. Production power cats are definitely coastal and inland animals. I'm not aware of any production boat that has the range--never mind other capabilities--to cross an ocean. All the pioneers in passagemaking in powered multihulls--Dennis Raedeke with Wild Wind IV, the Petersens with Chrysalis, Steve Shidler with Water Wizard--have been custom builds. The only exceptions are the outboard-powered production cats--Glacier Bay, World Cat, Renaissance Prowler--that have made record-setting runs to Bermuda from New York. Even if the jury still is out on ocean-crossing, for coastal and inland cruising is there anything better than a power cat? --Georgs -- Georgs Kolesnikovs Power Catamaran World http://www.powercatamaranworld.com