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Re: [volt-nuts] Voltage Reference Mini-Oven

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WarrenS
Thu, Sep 15, 2011 10:56 PM

Of course the simple answer of how to take care of ALL the other
uncertainties, is to just make a 6.2 volt reference such as something like
the attached.
It need have NO other critical parts except the Zener that limit it's
performance.
AND when using a good linear 8 digit voltmeter, a 6.2 volt ref can be as
accurate as a 10 volt standard as a calibration point.

ws


Hi Warren,

That does seem a very simple way to get the diode at a steady temp, but then
you need to keep the rest steady to stop all the other uncertainties
swamping the nice steady diode you have just created.


From: warrensjmail-one at yahoo.com

It is well known that by changing the nominal operating current of a 1N825
type reference diode, that its voltage turn over temperature point can be
moved.
Usually the turn over temperature can be set to the nominal operating
temperature,  there by giving a Zero TC reference voltage over a limited
temperature range.
For the parts I'm testing, the voltage changes less than 0.1 PPM with a 5
deg F temperature variation, and 1PPM over a 20 deg F range when the zero
TC current is set for room temperature.
Not bad, but being an extreme Volt Nut, I always want to do better.

Two ways to make it better, Add an X^2 (second order) temperature
compensator or put the reference in an oven.

What I did was make a very simple Mini-Oven using an 1N825, a glass
thermister & a 1/4 resistor,
all heat shrink together  in a small package about the size of a 1 watt
resistor.
Now by Appling about 1/8 W nominal power to the resistor from a simple
temperature controller, the thermistor can be held at a constant
Temperature.
This allows setting it up so that normal temperature changes have true
ZERO effect on the zero TCed zener voltage.
Next thing I want to make is a simple times 8/5 digital gain amp so that
the gain resistors will have no effect when amplifying the 6.25x volt
zener  up to 10.000000 Volts.
(or times 10/7 for use with other types of voltage references)

ws

Of course the simple answer of how to take care of ALL the other uncertainties, is to just make a 6.2 volt reference such as something like the attached. It need have NO other critical parts except the Zener that limit it's performance. AND when using a good linear 8 digit voltmeter, a 6.2 volt ref can be as accurate as a 10 volt standard as a calibration point. ws ******* Hi Warren, That does seem a very simple way to get the diode at a steady temp, but then you need to keep the rest steady to stop all the other uncertainties swamping the nice steady diode you have just created. ********************* > From: warrensjmail-one at yahoo.com > > > It is well known that by changing the nominal operating current of a 1N825 > type reference diode, that its voltage turn over temperature point can be > moved. > Usually the turn over temperature can be set to the nominal operating > temperature, there by giving a Zero TC reference voltage over a limited > temperature range. > For the parts I'm testing, the voltage changes less than 0.1 PPM with a 5 > deg F temperature variation, and 1PPM over a 20 deg F range when the zero > TC current is set for room temperature. > Not bad, but being an extreme Volt Nut, I always want to do better. > > Two ways to make it better, Add an X^2 (second order) temperature > compensator or put the reference in an oven. > > What I did was make a very simple Mini-Oven using an 1N825, a glass > thermister & a 1/4 resistor, > all heat shrink together in a small package about the size of a 1 watt > resistor. > Now by Appling about 1/8 W nominal power to the resistor from a simple > temperature controller, the thermistor can be held at a constant > Temperature. > This allows setting it up so that normal temperature changes have true > ZERO effect on the zero TCed zener voltage. > Next thing I want to make is a simple times 8/5 digital gain amp so that > the gain resistors will have no effect when amplifying the 6.25x volt > zener up to 10.000000 Volts. > (or times 10/7 for use with other types of voltage references) > > ws