Advice on rolling tendencies to powercat newbie

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Ira Braun
Mon, May 26, 2008 5:35 PM

Hi:
I recently purchased a 22 Glacier Bay Renegade, principally because I
was impressed by the lack of pounding in a chop (as well as the
increased interior room for the length. I am not new to boating,
having had a 48 foot motoryacht previously, among other boats. Having
said that, while I am very satisfied with the behavior of the boat in
a chop, head or quartering sea, my wife and I are quite uncomfortable
with the rolling motion in a confused, following, or beam sea. I know
these boats have quite a following on this site so I am asking for
advice as how to handle this situation. Thanks in advance to those who
respond to this novice in power cats.
Ira Braun

Hi: I recently purchased a 22 Glacier Bay Renegade, principally because I was impressed by the lack of pounding in a chop (as well as the increased interior room for the length. I am not new to boating, having had a 48 foot motoryacht previously, among other boats. Having said that, while I am very satisfied with the behavior of the boat in a chop, head or quartering sea, my wife and I are quite uncomfortable with the rolling motion in a confused, following, or beam sea. I know these boats have quite a following on this site so I am asking for advice as how to handle this situation. Thanks in advance to those who respond to this novice in power cats. Ira Braun
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sealubber7@aol.com
Mon, May 26, 2008 11:54 PM

My experience, though somewhat limited, is that all "cats" are uncomfortable in those situations. The only thing that might help is powering through which might be pretty wet and in some situations may make things worse. Sailing "cats" are sometimes a little better, because the sail loads up and keeps the boat from rocking as much, again, in some situations.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ira Braun irabraun@gmail.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Mon, 26 May 2008 1:35 pm
Subject: [PCW] Advice on rolling tendencies to powercat newbie

Hi:
I recently purchased a 22 Glacier Bay Renegade, principally because I
was impressed by the lack of pounding in a chop (as well as the
increased interior room for the length. I am not new to boating,
having had a 48 foot motoryacht previously, among other boats. Having
said that, while I am very satisfied with the behavior of the boat in
a chop, head or quartering sea, my wife and I are quite uncomfortable
with the rolling motion in a confused, following, or beam sea. I know
these boats have quite a following on this site so I am asking for
advice as how to handle this situation. Thanks in advance to those who
respond to this novice in power cats.
Ira Braun


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

My experience, though somewhat limited, is that all "cats" are uncomfortable in those situations. The only thing that might help is powering through which might be pretty wet and in some situations may make things worse. Sailing "cats" are sometimes a little better, because the sail loads up and keeps the boat from rocking as much, again, in some situations. -----Original Message----- From: Ira Braun <irabraun@gmail.com> To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Sent: Mon, 26 May 2008 1:35 pm Subject: [PCW] Advice on rolling tendencies to powercat newbie Hi: I recently purchased a 22 Glacier Bay Renegade, principally because I was impressed by the lack of pounding in a chop (as well as the increased interior room for the length. I am not new to boating, having had a 48 foot motoryacht previously, among other boats. Having said that, while I am very satisfied with the behavior of the boat in a chop, head or quartering sea, my wife and I are quite uncomfortable with the rolling motion in a confused, following, or beam sea. I know these boats have quite a following on this site so I am asking for advice as how to handle this situation. Thanks in advance to those who respond to this novice in power cats. Ira Braun _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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Robert Deering
Tue, May 27, 2008 5:14 AM

Ira,

The Glacier Bay 22 is notorious for rolling.  The hulls are very narrow and
thus they tend to submerge easily in a beam sea or when a load shifts.

I have heard of a capsize event up here when a GB22 was used for pulling
crab pots, and as it was described to me, the lack of hull buoyancy was a
major factor - there could have been other factors that I'm not aware of.

Some of the motion you're feeling is natural for cats - they tend to
generally be more lively in beam seas when one hull is in the trough and the
other on the crest.  Likewise a following, quartering sea can feel
disconcerting because the low volume of cat hulls in the bow means they tend
to submerge more deeply.  You'll find a slight change of course can have
dramatic responses.  Also, keep in mind that in a cat you're generally
sitting up higher which will amplify the rolling sensations.

Hope that helps.

Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Ira Braun
Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:35 AM
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Subject: [PCW] Advice on rolling tendencies to powercat newbie

Hi:
I recently purchased a 22 Glacier Bay Renegade, principally because I
was impressed by the lack of pounding in a chop (as well as the
increased interior room for the length. I am not new to boating,
having had a 48 foot motoryacht previously, among other boats. Having
said that, while I am very satisfied with the behavior of the boat in
a chop, head or quartering sea, my wife and I are quite uncomfortable
with the rolling motion in a confused, following, or beam sea. I know
these boats have quite a following on this site so I am asking for
advice as how to handle this situation. Thanks in advance to those who
respond to this novice in power cats.
Ira Braun


Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Ira, The Glacier Bay 22 is notorious for rolling. The hulls are very narrow and thus they tend to submerge easily in a beam sea or when a load shifts. I have heard of a capsize event up here when a GB22 was used for pulling crab pots, and as it was described to me, the lack of hull buoyancy was a major factor - there could have been other factors that I'm not aware of. Some of the motion you're feeling is natural for cats - they tend to generally be more lively in beam seas when one hull is in the trough and the other on the crest. Likewise a following, quartering sea can feel disconcerting because the low volume of cat hulls in the bow means they tend to submerge more deeply. You'll find a slight change of course can have dramatic responses. Also, keep in mind that in a cat you're generally sitting up higher which will amplify the rolling sensations. Hope that helps. Bob Deering Juneau, Alaska -----Original Message----- From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com [mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of Ira Braun Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 9:35 AM To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com Subject: [PCW] Advice on rolling tendencies to powercat newbie Hi: I recently purchased a 22 Glacier Bay Renegade, principally because I was impressed by the lack of pounding in a chop (as well as the increased interior room for the length. I am not new to boating, having had a 48 foot motoryacht previously, among other boats. Having said that, while I am very satisfied with the behavior of the boat in a chop, head or quartering sea, my wife and I are quite uncomfortable with the rolling motion in a confused, following, or beam sea. I know these boats have quite a following on this site so I am asking for advice as how to handle this situation. Thanks in advance to those who respond to this novice in power cats. Ira Braun _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List