Rod,
I appreciate your comments and your thoughtful insight on the present state
of the powercat market.
For us, the "killer app" is the powercat's ability to beat the displacement
rap. I know of no traditional boat that can approach the comfort, speed and
economy of our little 34-ft PDQ. Do you know of any monohull offering two
queen cabins, large living spaces AND 3 miles-to-the-gallon at 15-knots?
Although we paid the price at purchase, we love the ability to cover large
distances at good speed with low fuel consumption. Perhaps the tipping point
for powercats will come when fuel costs surpass the $5/gallon mark?
We've put over 6000 nautical miles under our keels; we've been up and down
the ICW twice, and we've cruised the Baltic from Finland to the Netherlands.
We now have nearly 700 hours on our engines and our average fuel consumption
has been just under 4 gallons per hour.
There's no doubt that buying a powercat for its economy is a bit like paying
$24K for a Toyota Prius - you gotta cover a lot of ground before you can claim
a cost benefit. However, now that we own our powercat, we feel great
freedom in being able to travel long distances without worrying too much about the
cost. It also feels like a bargain when we pay only for our 34-foot LOA when
we pull into a marina for a night or two. With transient rates over $2/ft in
some places, this can add up fast. (We've had no problem at all with our
nearly 17-ft beam - even in Europe!)
Thanks again for you post. It will be interesting to see where we go from
here - powercat-wise.
Henry Clews
aboard Sno' Dog in Marsh Harbour, Abaco BAHAMAS
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Henry,
I was at the Seattle Boat Show a few weeks ago. Hadn't been there in quite
a few years and was amazed at how large it had become. The show was packed
with hundreds of 'sleek & stylish' monohulls - very shiny with lots of
curves.
While looking at these boats it struck me that I almost NEVER see these
stylish creations up here in SE Alaska. For many boaters, spending a summer
exploring the Inside Passage is a lifelong dream. And Seattle is the
obvious starting point for such a journey - any reasonably seaworthy boat
can make the trip from Seattle. Based on the number of these boats on
display, and the number tied up in the Seattle harbors, it's obvious that a
lot of people lay down many hundreds of thousands to own them. So why
aren't they using these boats to explore the world-class waters just to the
north of them?
I've concluded that the people who buy these boats have entirely different
objectives than to actually use them to GO anywhere. I'm not sure entirely
what those objectives are, but for this crowd it appears that swoopy curves
and stylish lines coupled with lots of onboard amenities such as big plasma
screen TV's, hot tubs on the aft deck, high-end domestic appliances, and
white carpeting (on a boat??) are the "killer apps". So when you talk about
mundane practical considerations such as fuel economy, range, stability,
etc., you're missing the point. These aren't the salient features for this
buying crowd. Hey, to each their own.
What's needed in the power cat market is a builder to focus entirely on
aesthetics while ignoring performance. That builder will doubtless sell
hundreds of boats...
Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska
I had a discussion yesterday with a marina operator. The marina has 200+
boats in Vancouver Harbor, also a good jumping of place for Alaska.
According to him, most of the powerboats, regardless of size, seldom leave
their slips. They charge the same for dry-storage as for in water moorage
and it is becoming a popular option. No need to paint the bottom, reduced
maintenance. If you never go anywhere, and the boat isn't even in the water,
why do you have it?
A partial answer comes from the owner of a gorgeous wooden powerboat moored
opposite my sailboat. He is on his boat more than I am, although it never
leaves the boathouse. He is always polishing, varnishing, and sometimes just
drinking beer in the cockpit. According to him, it is his summer cottage,
garden shed, and workshop all rolled into one, and the pleasure he gets from
those activities is what matters. He is an honest man.
My gut feeling is that the owners of most boats, both power and sail, have
them for their prestige value, and perhaps esthetic satisfaction, and only
secondarily for actual boating. It seems to me that 40 years ago when I
started sailing there was great pleasure in planning a voyage, amassing the
guidebooks and charts needed, and talking with other boating people about
those plans. When we went to a new harbor back then, we always met people
from other boats, were invited aboard, often for dinner, but at least for
drinks, and we reciprocated. This happens much less often now, as it seems
those flat screen TVs and entertainment centers have largely replaced the
card games and social banter we used to enjoy back then. Of course this
happened to land based society decades ago, but took longer on the water due
to the technical difficulties involved in providing TV reception, internet
etc. on board. The future is here now, and I find it a lonely one.
We are sailing to Alaska this summer, and if previous experience is correct,
the number of swoopy fiberglass powerboats will decline rapidly as we head
north, and once past Port Hardy, we'll see mainly sailboats and trawler
style motorboats, and I hope, some power cats. It is easy to get into
lengthy discussions of which boat is best, how wide the side decks are, how
much headroom, etc. The best boat for YOU is the one that gets you out on
the water, going places and doing things.
Kind Regards,
Grahame Shannon
2101 Philip Avenue
North Vancouver, BC V7P 2W5
-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces+designer=aviadesign.com@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces+designer=aviadesign.com@lists.samurai.com]
On Behalf Of Robert Deering
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:15 AM
To: 'Power Catamaran List'
Subject: Re: [PCW] CS-42 power cat
Henry,
I was at the Seattle Boat Show a few weeks ago. Hadn't been there in quite
a few years and was amazed at how large it had become. The show was packed
with hundreds of 'sleek & stylish' monohulls - very shiny with lots of
curves.
While looking at these boats it struck me that I almost NEVER see these
stylish creations up here in SE Alaska. For many boaters, spending a summer
exploring the Inside Passage is a lifelong dream. And Seattle is the
obvious starting point for such a journey - any reasonably seaworthy boat
can make the trip from Seattle. Based on the number of these boats on
display, and the number tied up in the Seattle harbors, it's obvious that a
lot of people lay down many hundreds of thousands to own them. So why
aren't they using these boats to explore the world-class waters just to the
north of them?
I've concluded that the people who buy these boats have entirely different
objectives than to actually use them to GO anywhere. I'm not sure entirely
what those objectives are, but for this crowd it appears that swoopy curves
and stylish lines coupled with lots of onboard amenities such as big plasma
screen TV's, hot tubs on the aft deck, high-end domestic appliances, and
white carpeting (on a boat??) are the "killer apps". So when you talk about
mundane practical considerations such as fuel economy, range, stability,
etc., you're missing the point. These aren't the salient features for this
buying crowd. Hey, to each their own.
What's needed in the power cat market is a builder to focus entirely on
aesthetics while ignoring performance. That builder will doubtless sell
hundreds of boats...
Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
I am a catamaran lover and would buy one in a minute but cannot find a
permanent moorage. The beam of the boats, after 18 feet, simply makes it
impossible to find a home (at least where I live in Bellingham Washington).
In order to have a larger catamaran (over 34') I would have to have a
side-tie and those are few and far between. It took me 9 years to get a 60'
(60' x 18') slip for my monohull.
I think catamarans will become more popular when marinas provide wider
moorages for them.
When a marina slip charge based upon total square footage
becomes acceptable to catamaran (and other) boaters, that
may become possible. But remember that a marina owner
can charge basically the same amount for THREE monohull
slips occupying the same total amount of width that TWO
catamaran slips would use up. Were you the marina owner
and aware of the limited market for cat slips, which way
would YOU go?
** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
From: rak2421@hotmail.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:21:07 -0700
Subject: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
I am a catamaran lover and would buy one in a minute but cannot find a
permanent moorage. The beam of the boats, after 18 feet, simply makes it
impossible to find a home (at least where I live in Bellingham Washington).
In order to have a larger catamaran (over 34') I would have to have a
side-tie and those are few and far between. It took me 9 years to get a 60'
(60' x 18') slip for my monohull.
I think catamarans will become more popular when marinas provide wider
moorages for them.
I actually offered to rent two adjoining slips which would give me the
length and width I needed but they were not willing to do that because of
their limited slip availability. I do think marinas are reconfiguring.
Twenty years ago a 45' boat was considered large and now 55' is considered
normal. In Bellingham they are working on a new marina to expand their
facilities so we will see what they do.
My point is that adequate slips limit the purchase of catamarans. If not
for that limitation they would be much more successful.
-----Original Message-----
From: power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com
[mailto:power-catamaran-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On Behalf Of D C Mac
Macdonald
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 10:27 AM
To: Power Catamaran List
Subject: Re: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
When a marina slip charge based upon total square footage
becomes acceptable to catamaran (and other) boaters, that
may become possible. But remember that a marina owner
can charge basically the same amount for THREE monohull
slips occupying the same total amount of width that TWO
catamaran slips would use up. Were you the marina owner
and aware of the limited market for cat slips, which way
would YOU go?
** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
From: rak2421@hotmail.com
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2008 10:21:07 -0700
Subject: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
I am a catamaran lover and would buy one in a minute but cannot find a
permanent moorage. The beam of the boats, after 18 feet, simply makes it
impossible to find a home (at least where I live in Bellingham
Washington).
In order to have a larger catamaran (over 34') I would have to have a
side-tie and those are few and far between. It took me 9 years to get a
60'
(60' x 18') slip for my monohull.
I think catamarans will become more popular when marinas provide wider
moorages for them.
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Robert,
Aventure Catamaran builds a power styled power Catamaran
that is 50foot long and 15.86 ft wide nd dsigned by Lavranos
and Wright.
There website is www.aventure-powercatamaran.com.
Regards,
Lesley.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kimsey" rak2421@hotmail.com
To: "'Power Catamaran List'" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 6:21 PM
Subject: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
I am a catamaran lover and would buy one in a minute but cannot find a
permanent moorage. The beam of the boats, after 18 feet, simply makes it
impossible to find a home (at least where I live in Bellingham
Washington).
In order to have a larger catamaran (over 34') I would have to have a
side-tie and those are few and far between. It took me 9 years to get a
60'
(60' x 18') slip for my monohull.
I think catamarans will become more popular when marinas provide wider
moorages for them.
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
I'm picking up an Endeavour 48 next month from the factory (St Pete)
and we will be cruising her up to Delaware over the following three
months.
I'll report back on any slip dramas en route. Its an 18 ft beam.
Jonah
www.jonah-art.com
On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Tradesure wrote:
Robert,
Aventure Catamaran builds a power styled power Catamaran
that is 50foot long and 15.86 ft wide nd dsigned by
Lavranos
and Wright.
There website is www.aventure-powercatamaran.com.
Regards,
Lesley.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kimsey" rak2421@hotmail.com
To: "'Power Catamaran List'" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 6:21 PM
Subject: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
I am a catamaran lover and would buy one in a minute but cannot
find a
permanent moorage. The beam of the boats, after 18 feet, simply
makes it
impossible to find a home (at least where I live in Bellingham
Washington).
In order to have a larger catamaran (over 34') I would have to have a
side-tie and those are few and far between. It took me 9 years to
get a
60'
(60' x 18') slip for my monohull.
I think catamarans will become more popular when marinas provide
wider
moorages for them.
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Jonah,
It is not only the slips you must consider.
All small marina's that own travel lifts have the base model
which has a beam to lift boats up to 16ft.
Thereafter, the next hoist level is beams 22ft/24ft , which is
more
expensive to use and not found in any smaller marina's,
especially in the
inland waterways as I found out when we delivered an Aventure 43
once
we hit logs.
With a beam of 15.85 we did not have a problem.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonah Jones" jonah@northrock.bm
To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
I'm picking up an Endeavour 48 next month from the factory (St Pete)
and we will be cruising her up to Delaware over the following three
months.
I'll report back on any slip dramas en route. Its an 18 ft beam.
Jonah
www.jonah-art.com
On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Tradesure wrote:
Robert,
Aventure Catamaran builds a power styled power Catamaran
that is 50foot long and 15.86 ft wide nd dsigned by
Lavranos
and Wright.
There website is www.aventure-powercatamaran.com.
Regards,
Lesley.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kimsey" rak2421@hotmail.com
To: "'Power Catamaran List'" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 6:21 PM
Subject: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
I am a catamaran lover and would buy one in a minute but cannot
find a
permanent moorage. The beam of the boats, after 18 feet, simply
makes it
impossible to find a home (at least where I live in Bellingham
Washington).
In order to have a larger catamaran (over 34') I would have to have a
side-tie and those are few and far between. It took me 9 years to
get a
60'
(60' x 18') slip for my monohull.
I think catamarans will become more popular when marinas provide
wider
moorages for them.
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Point taken,
however, on a personal note, I would opt for the beam and extra
space provided.
Hauling a boat is hopefully not a regular occurrence.
I can also report back on any problems (if the forum is interested)
we have with access to suitable travel lifts on our trip North if we
need one at any stage.
Jonah.
www.jonah-art.com
On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:44 AM, Tradesure wrote:
Jonah,
It is not only the slips you must consider.
All small marina's that own travel lifts have the base
model
which has a beam to lift boats up to 16ft.
Thereafter, the next hoist level is beams 22ft/24ft ,
which is
more
expensive to use and not found in any smaller marina's,
especially in the
inland waterways as I found out when we delivered an
Aventure 43
once
we hit logs.
With a beam of 15.85 we did not have a problem.
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonah Jones" jonah@northrock.bm
To: "Power Catamaran List" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
I'm picking up an Endeavour 48 next month from the factory (St Pete)
and we will be cruising her up to Delaware over the following three
months.
I'll report back on any slip dramas en route. Its an 18 ft beam.
Jonah
www.jonah-art.com
On Feb 28, 2008, at 9:16 AM, Tradesure wrote:
Robert,
Aventure Catamaran builds a power styled power
Catamaran
that is 50foot long and 15.86 ft wide nd dsigned by
Lavranos
and Wright.
There website is www.aventure-powercatamaran.com.
Regards,
Lesley.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kimsey" rak2421@hotmail.com
To: "'Power Catamaran List'" power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 6:21 PM
Subject: [PCW] The popularity of Catamarans
I am a catamaran lover and would buy one in a minute but cannot
find a
permanent moorage. The beam of the boats, after 18 feet, simply
makes it
impossible to find a home (at least where I live in Bellingham
Washington).
In order to have a larger catamaran (over 34') I would have to
have a
side-tie and those are few and far between. It took me 9 years to
get a
60'
(60' x 18') slip for my monohull.
I think catamarans will become more popular when marinas provide
wider
moorages for them.
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
Power-Catamaran Mailing List
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