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Ghechtman

Fri, Mar 9, 2012 2:07 PM

Ralph your discussion about wind is generally correct, though sailboats
behave differently than twin engine flat transom power boats, but the
OP was about current, in which case your guideline is not correct. But
back to etiquette.

I have found that in general the people on the other side do have their
radio on, usually on the bridge channel (9 south of North Carolina, 13
in NC,VA and MD), so I try that first then 16. Unless I feel that
standing off is difficult, I usually let the other guys go first so I
have a cleaner path on through. Often times, even with the current
behind you, it is much easier to stand off than maneuver through a
crowd of small boats. 80% of the time, we are the biggest widest boat.
I do not consider myself a master helmsman, but experience has
instructed me how to mitigate my skill deficits.

In South Florida, my main strategy is to avoid the ICW entirely and use
the ocean. If conditions don't permit that, then go at dawn before the
commuter rush hour on land and most boaters. Avoid the weekends too;
there are a large number of very poor boaters there, either ignorant,
rude, or both. You have to deploy defensive boating practices as the
dumbest things will happen. Then, adjust my speed between bridges so
that I arrive very close to the opening time to cut "hanging around
time" to a bare minimum. Almost all the urban bridges open at defined
times, though you still have to call and request an opening. This
strategy comes into play in parts of North Carolina (Wrightsville,
Figure Eight, Surf City) and all of Virginia.

George
Hatteras 56MY
Boston Whaler 130 Sport

Ralph your discussion about wind is generally correct, though sailboats behave differently than twin engine flat transom power boats, but the OP was about current, in which case your guideline is not correct. But back to etiquette. I have found that in general the people on the other side do have their radio on, usually on the bridge channel (9 south of North Carolina, 13 in NC,VA and MD), so I try that first then 16. Unless I feel that standing off is difficult, I usually let the other guys go first so I have a cleaner path on through. Often times, even with the current behind you, it is much easier to stand off than maneuver through a crowd of small boats. 80% of the time, we are the biggest widest boat. I do not consider myself a master helmsman, but experience has instructed me how to mitigate my skill deficits. In South Florida, my main strategy is to avoid the ICW entirely and use the ocean. If conditions don't permit that, then go at dawn before the commuter rush hour on land and most boaters. Avoid the weekends too; there are a large number of very poor boaters there, either ignorant, rude, or both. You have to deploy defensive boating practices as the dumbest things will happen. Then, adjust my speed between bridges so that I arrive very close to the opening time to cut "hanging around time" to a bare minimum. Almost all the urban bridges open at defined times, though you still have to call and request an opening. This strategy comes into play in parts of North Carolina (Wrightsville, Figure Eight, Surf City) and all of Virginia. George Hatteras 56MY Boston Whaler 130 Sport

BD

Bill Donovan

Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:01 PM

Ralph, Randy and George:

One more minor point. My experience with almost every trawler I have
operated (and many other types of boats) is the boat will go beam to
the wind when dead in the water. Seems to happen nearly always. Of
course, it depends on the shape of the sail area, but trawlers seem
to be neutral bow vs. stern.

Bill

At 09:07 AM 3/9/2012, Ghechtman wrote:

Ralph your discussion about wind is generally correct, though
sailboats behave differently than twin engine flat transom power
boats, but the OP was about current, in which case your guideline is
not correct. But back to etiquette.

I have found that in general the people on the other side do have
their radio on, usually on the bridge channel (9 south of North
Carolina, 13 in NC,VA and MD), so I try that first then 16. Unless I
feel that standing off is difficult, I usually let the other guys go
first so I have a cleaner path on through. Often times, even with
the current behind you, it is much easier to stand off than maneuver
through a crowd of small boats. 80% of the time, we are the biggest
widest boat. I do not consider myself a master helmsman, but
experience has instructed me how to mitigate my skill deficits.

In South Florida, my main strategy is to avoid the ICW entirely and
use the ocean. If conditions don't permit that, then go at dawn
before the commuter rush hour on land and most boaters. Avoid the
weekends too; there are a large number of very poor boaters there,
either ignorant, rude, or both. You have to deploy defensive boating
practices as the dumbest things will happen. Then, adjust my speed
between bridges so that I arrive very close to the opening time to
cut "hanging around time" to a bare minimum. Almost all the urban
bridges open at defined times, though you still have to call and
request an opening. This strategy comes into play in parts of North
Carolina (Wrightsville, Figure Eight, Surf City) and all of Virginia.

George
Hatteras 56MY
Boston Whaler 130 Sport

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Ralph, Randy and George: One more minor point. My experience with almost every trawler I have operated (and many other types of boats) is the boat will go beam to the wind when dead in the water. Seems to happen nearly always. Of course, it depends on the shape of the sail area, but trawlers seem to be neutral bow vs. stern. Bill At 09:07 AM 3/9/2012, Ghechtman wrote: >Ralph your discussion about wind is generally correct, though >sailboats behave differently than twin engine flat transom power >boats, but the OP was about current, in which case your guideline is >not correct. But back to etiquette. > >I have found that in general the people on the other side do have >their radio on, usually on the bridge channel (9 south of North >Carolina, 13 in NC,VA and MD), so I try that first then 16. Unless I >feel that standing off is difficult, I usually let the other guys go >first so I have a cleaner path on through. Often times, even with >the current behind you, it is much easier to stand off than maneuver >through a crowd of small boats. 80% of the time, we are the biggest >widest boat. I do not consider myself a master helmsman, but >experience has instructed me how to mitigate my skill deficits. > >In South Florida, my main strategy is to avoid the ICW entirely and >use the ocean. If conditions don't permit that, then go at dawn >before the commuter rush hour on land and most boaters. Avoid the >weekends too; there are a large number of very poor boaters there, >either ignorant, rude, or both. You have to deploy defensive boating >practices as the dumbest things will happen. Then, adjust my speed >between bridges so that I arrive very close to the opening time to >cut "hanging around time" to a bare minimum. Almost all the urban >bridges open at defined times, though you still have to call and >request an opening. This strategy comes into play in parts of North >Carolina (Wrightsville, Figure Eight, Surf City) and all of Virginia. > >George >Hatteras 56MY >Boston Whaler 130 Sport > > >_______________________________________________ >http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > >To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, >unsubscribe, etc.) go to: >http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

MA

MY ALLEZ

Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:13 PM

Well Said George; Also Portable VHF radios are Cheap. The new ones will Scan
multiple channels. I keep a Portable stationed at the lower Helm and upper helm at the fly bridge to give me mobilility of communications anywhere on deck. Plus a fixed mount at both locations. Also carry one when in the Dingy. I always scan Ch/9/13/15/22 to stay in touch. I wish some of our sailing friends would invest in a scanning Portable. Especially when they are hanging on my stern when trying to maneuver at a bridge. You can never find the sailors on a portable in the cockpit. Either they dont have one or the main unit is down below at the nav station out of reach. You try and call them, they might be on the bridge channel, to tell them to get off my butt and you can never raise them, they dont have a portable that scans. Think I am going to add a portable bull horn/hailer to my inventory (smile)

Safe cruising to all

Bob

Capt Bob Kovach
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com

From: Ghechtman ghechtman@aol.com
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 9:07 AM
Subject: GL: Bridge etiquette ICW

Ralph your discussion about wind is generally correct, though sailboats behave differently than twin engine flat transom power boats, but the OP was about current, in which case your guideline is not correct. But back to etiquette.

I have found that in general the people on the other side do have their radio on, usually on the bridge channel (9 south of North Carolina, 13 in NC,VA and MD), so I try that first then 16. Unless I feel that standing off is difficult, I usually let the other guys go first so I have a cleaner path on through. Often times, even with the current behind you, it is much easier to stand off than maneuver through a crowd of small boats. 80% of the time, we are the biggest widest boat. I do not consider myself a master helmsman, but experience has instructed me how to mitigate my skill deficits.

In South Florida, my main strategy is to avoid the ICW entirely and use the ocean. If conditions don't permit that, then go at dawn before the commuter rush hour on land and most boaters. Avoid the weekends too; there are a large number of very poor boaters there, either ignorant, rude, or both. You have to deploy defensive boating practices as the dumbest things will happen. Then, adjust my speed between bridges so that I arrive very close to the opening time to cut "hanging around time" to a bare minimum. Almost all the urban bridges open at defined times, though you still have to call and request an opening. This strategy comes into play in parts of North Carolina (Wrightsville, Figure Eight, Surf City) and all of Virginia.

George
Hatteras 56MY
Boston Whaler 130 Sport

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Well Said George; Also Portable VHF radios are Cheap. The new ones will Scan multiple channels. I keep a Portable stationed at the lower Helm and upper helm at the fly bridge to give me mobilility of communications anywhere on deck. Plus a fixed mount at both locations. Also carry one when in the Dingy. I always scan Ch/9/13/15/22 to stay in touch. I wish some of our sailing friends would invest in a scanning Portable. Especially when they are hanging on my stern when trying to maneuver at a bridge. You can never find the sailors on a portable in the cockpit. Either they dont have one or the main unit is down below at the nav station out of reach. You try and call them, they might be on the bridge channel, to tell them to get off my butt and you can never raise them, they dont have a portable that scans. Think I am going to add a portable bull horn/hailer to my inventory (smile) Safe cruising to all Bob Capt Bob Kovach M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969 USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Ghechtman <ghechtman@aol.com> To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 9:07 AM Subject: GL: Bridge etiquette ICW Ralph your discussion about wind is generally correct, though sailboats behave differently than twin engine flat transom power boats, but the OP was about current, in which case your guideline is not correct. But back to etiquette. I have found that in general the people on the other side do have their radio on, usually on the bridge channel (9 south of North Carolina, 13 in NC,VA and MD), so I try that first then 16. Unless I feel that standing off is difficult, I usually let the other guys go first so I have a cleaner path on through. Often times, even with the current behind you, it is much easier to stand off than maneuver through a crowd of small boats. 80% of the time, we are the biggest widest boat. I do not consider myself a master helmsman, but experience has instructed me how to mitigate my skill deficits. In South Florida, my main strategy is to avoid the ICW entirely and use the ocean. If conditions don't permit that, then go at dawn before the commuter rush hour on land and most boaters. Avoid the weekends too; there are a large number of very poor boaters there, either ignorant, rude, or both. You have to deploy defensive boating practices as the dumbest things will happen. Then, adjust my speed between bridges so that I arrive very close to the opening time to cut "hanging around time" to a bare minimum. Almost all the urban bridges open at defined times, though you still have to call and request an opening. This strategy comes into play in parts of North Carolina (Wrightsville, Figure Eight, Surf City) and all of Virginia. George Hatteras 56MY Boston Whaler 130 Sport _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

MA

MY ALLEZ

Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:23 PM

Allez is a 50ft Wide Body Beam 15.5 ft with 15 ft air draft to windshield, 22 ft to top of bimini. She is a big sailboat.
Swings in arc of 40 degress at anchor in both directions.

Capt Bob Kovach
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com

From: Bill Donovan trailersource@mindspring.com
To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: GL: Bridge etiquette ICW

Ralph, Randy and George:

One more minor point. My experience with almost every trawler I have operated (and many other types of boats) is the boat will go beam to the wind when dead in the water. Seems to happen nearly always. Of course, it depends on the shape of the sail area, but trawlers seem to be neutral bow vs. stern.

Bill

At 09:07 AM 3/9/2012, Ghechtman wrote:

Ralph your discussion about wind is generally correct, though sailboats behave differently than twin engine flat transom power boats, but the OP was about current, in which case your guideline is not correct. But back to etiquette.

I have found that in general the people on the other side do have their radio on, usually on the bridge channel (9 south of North Carolina, 13 in NC,VA and MD), so I try that first then 16. Unless I feel that standing off is difficult, I usually let the other guys go first so I have a cleaner path on through. Often times, even with the current behind you, it is much easier to stand off than maneuver through a crowd of small boats. 80% of the time, we are the biggest widest boat. I do not consider myself a master helmsman, but experience has instructed me how to mitigate my skill deficits.

In South Florida, my main strategy is to avoid the ICW entirely and use the ocean. If conditions don't permit that, then go at dawn before the commuter rush hour on land and most boaters. Avoid the weekends too; there are a large number of very poor boaters there, either ignorant, rude, or both. You have to deploy defensive boating practices as the dumbest things will happen. Then, adjust my speed between bridges so that I arrive very close to the opening time to cut "hanging around time" to a bare minimum. Almost all the urban bridges open at defined times, though you still have to call and request an opening. This strategy comes into play in parts of North Carolina (Wrightsville, Figure Eight, Surf City) and all of Virginia.

George
Hatteras 56MY
Boston Whaler 130 Sport

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Allez is a 50ft Wide Body Beam 15.5 ft with 15 ft air draft to windshield, 22 ft to top of bimini. She is a big sailboat. Swings in arc of 40 degress at anchor in both directions. Capt Bob Kovach M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969 USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Bill Donovan <trailersource@mindspring.com> To: great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: GL: Bridge etiquette ICW Ralph, Randy and George: One more minor point. My experience with almost every trawler I have operated (and many other types of boats) is the boat will go beam to the wind when dead in the water. Seems to happen nearly always. Of course, it depends on the shape of the sail area, but trawlers seem to be neutral bow vs. stern. Bill At 09:07 AM 3/9/2012, Ghechtman wrote: > Ralph your discussion about wind is generally correct, though sailboats behave differently than twin engine flat transom power boats, but the OP was about current, in which case your guideline is not correct. But back to etiquette. > > I have found that in general the people on the other side do have their radio on, usually on the bridge channel (9 south of North Carolina, 13 in NC,VA and MD), so I try that first then 16. Unless I feel that standing off is difficult, I usually let the other guys go first so I have a cleaner path on through. Often times, even with the current behind you, it is much easier to stand off than maneuver through a crowd of small boats. 80% of the time, we are the biggest widest boat. I do not consider myself a master helmsman, but experience has instructed me how to mitigate my skill deficits. > > In South Florida, my main strategy is to avoid the ICW entirely and use the ocean. If conditions don't permit that, then go at dawn before the commuter rush hour on land and most boaters. Avoid the weekends too; there are a large number of very poor boaters there, either ignorant, rude, or both. You have to deploy defensive boating practices as the dumbest things will happen. Then, adjust my speed between bridges so that I arrive very close to the opening time to cut "hanging around time" to a bare minimum. Almost all the urban bridges open at defined times, though you still have to call and request an opening. This strategy comes into play in parts of North Carolina (Wrightsville, Figure Eight, Surf City) and all of Virginia. > > George > Hatteras 56MY > Boston Whaler 130 Sport > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com > > To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, > unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

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Ghechtman

Fri, Mar 9, 2012 4:43 PM

Snip: >Well Said George; Also Portable VHF radios are Cheap. <

Yes, one of our life goals is to buy a case or two of cheap portable
VHFs and go along the ICW like Johnny Appleseed throwing them to
sailors as our gift to the sanity of mankind.
We have actually used the loud hailer a few times for trying to
negotiate slow passes. When we get a scowl or other negative response
(either from the use of the hailer or passing faster than we otherwise
would have had to), I make a point of holding up the mic or the
portable an pointing to it as we go by, smiling of course.

Snip: >Well Said George; Also Portable VHF radios are Cheap. < Yes, one of our life goals is to buy a case or two of cheap portable VHFs and go along the ICW like Johnny Appleseed throwing them to sailors as our gift to the sanity of mankind. We have actually used the loud hailer a few times for trying to negotiate slow passes. When we get a scowl or other negative response (either from the use of the hailer or passing faster than we otherwise would have had to), I make a point of holding up the mic or the portable an pointing to it as we go by, smiling of course.

AT

Al Thomason

Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:35 PM

Bob, others.

We too swing at Anchor - which when the wind / waves are up provides the
most discomfort. What do folks do to minimize this? (Beside a stern
tie/anchor). Has anyone had luck using 'steadying sails' at anchor? Other
approaches?

Thanks
-al-

-----Original Message-----
From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com
[mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of MY ALLEZ

Allez . . . swings in arc of 40 degress at anchor in both directions.

Capt Bob Kovach
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com

Bob, others. We too swing at Anchor - which when the wind / waves are up provides the most discomfort. What do folks do to minimize this? (Beside a stern tie/anchor). Has anyone had luck using 'steadying sails' at anchor? Other approaches? Thanks -al- -----Original Message----- From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of MY ALLEZ Allez . . . swings in arc of 40 degress at anchor in both directions. Capt Bob Kovach M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969 USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com

BD

Bob DeGroot, DCH

Fri, Mar 9, 2012 5:56 PM

To minimize swinging (sailing at anchor), make sure your line (chain or rope
rode) comes directly off the bow. Anything off to the side will accentuate
the motion. Putting a stern anchor out is only advisable if the boats around
you are doing the same.

Even in the creeks and rivers on the loop, we never put a stern anchor out
because there was always enough current to keep us straight.

If the wind is light, we just use the chain stopper built into the winch and
sway gently.
If the wind and seas are moderate, we use a bridle on the chain. This makes
sure that we're pulling her directly on the nose and gives some shock
absorption.
If the wind is strong and the waves are significant, we find a marina or an
anchorage where we're better protected.
If the wind is super strong as in straight line winds or hurricanes (as in
Ida), we go to a hurricane hole, drop the big iron and hang on!
If there are other boaters in the anchorage, we want to be upstream and will
drop the big iron to ensure we don't drag into them.
If we're side by side in an anchorage, we like to be close to boats with our
own swinging characteristics from larger sail to other trawlers. Power
boats, swing differently still. And we put the fenders out on both sides
just in case.

Bob

Bob & Kemba DeGroot
Aboard M/V Spirit Dancer, DeFever 49 CMY
MTOA # 1896; DFCruisers # 857; AGLCA # 427; Lakewood Yacht Club
www.BoaterSites.com, Cell :713-876-8787, Skype: 1-281-506-2676 or
dr.bob.degroot
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-----Original Message-----
From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com
[mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Al Thomason
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:35 AM
To: 'MY ALLEZ'; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Subject: GL: Swinging at Anchor was --> RE: Bridge etiquette ICW Beam to
Wind

Bob, others.

We too swing at Anchor - which when the wind / waves are up provides the
most discomfort. What do folks do to minimize this? (Beside a stern
tie/anchor). Has anyone had luck using 'steadying sails' at anchor? Other
approaches?

Thanks
-al-

-----Original Message-----
From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com
[mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of MY ALLEZ

Allez . . . swings in arc of 40 degress at anchor in both directions.

Capt Bob Kovach
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com

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To minimize swinging (sailing at anchor), make sure your line (chain or rope rode) comes directly off the bow. Anything off to the side will accentuate the motion. Putting a stern anchor out is only advisable if the boats around you are doing the same. Even in the creeks and rivers on the loop, we never put a stern anchor out because there was always enough current to keep us straight. If the wind is light, we just use the chain stopper built into the winch and sway gently. If the wind and seas are moderate, we use a bridle on the chain. This makes sure that we're pulling her directly on the nose and gives some shock absorption. If the wind is strong and the waves are significant, we find a marina or an anchorage where we're better protected. If the wind is super strong as in straight line winds or hurricanes (as in Ida), we go to a hurricane hole, drop the big iron and hang on! If there are other boaters in the anchorage, we want to be upstream and will drop the big iron to ensure we don't drag into them. If we're side by side in an anchorage, we like to be close to boats with our own swinging characteristics from larger sail to other trawlers. Power boats, swing differently still. And we put the fenders out on both sides just in case. Bob Bob & Kemba DeGroot Aboard M/V Spirit Dancer, DeFever 49 CMY MTOA # 1896; DFCruisers # 857; AGLCA # 427; Lakewood Yacht Club www.BoaterSites.com, Cell :713-876-8787, Skype: 1-281-506-2676 or dr.bob.degroot www.SalesHelp.com, www.MarinaCustomerServiceTraining.com -----Original Message----- From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of Al Thomason Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 11:35 AM To: 'MY ALLEZ'; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Subject: GL: Swinging at Anchor was --> RE: Bridge etiquette ICW Beam to Wind Bob, others. We too swing at Anchor - which when the wind / waves are up provides the most discomfort. What do folks do to minimize this? (Beside a stern tie/anchor). Has anyone had luck using 'steadying sails' at anchor? Other approaches? Thanks -al- -----Original Message----- From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of MY ALLEZ Allez . . . swings in arc of 40 degress at anchor in both directions. Capt Bob Kovach M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969 USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com

BM

Bob McLeran

Fri, Mar 9, 2012 6:49 PM

Our steadying sail works great for that, as well as reducing roll in a
beam sea. Have used it a number of times in both situations. It's easy
to deploy as we're already set up for it with a 12 foot mast and boom
with a loose-footed sail.

<><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><>
Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina
MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base
DeFever 41 Trawler Melbourne, Florida
Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog
Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/

On 3/9/2012 12:35 PM, Al Thomason wrote:

Bob, others.

We too swing at Anchor - which when the wind / waves are up provides the
most discomfort. What do folks do to minimize this? (Beside a stern
tie/anchor). Has anyone had luck using 'steadying sails' at anchor?

Our steadying sail works great for that, as well as reducing roll in a beam sea. Have used it a number of times in both situations. It's easy to deploy as we're already set up for it with a 12 foot mast and boom with a loose-footed sail. <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base DeFever 41 Trawler Melbourne, Florida Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/ On 3/9/2012 12:35 PM, Al Thomason wrote: > Bob, others. > > We too swing at Anchor - which when the wind / waves are up provides the > most discomfort. What do folks do to minimize this? (Beside a stern > tie/anchor). Has anyone had luck using 'steadying sails' at anchor?

MA

MY ALLEZ

Sat, Mar 10, 2012 6:00 PM

Al: Most sailors will use a mizzen sail to hold the boat into the wind and it actually take some of the tension off the anchor rode. I have a steadying sail, looks brand new which we got with the boat which in my opinion will take roll out of the boat. Problem. I need to install a main sheet traveler system so I can trim the sail to make it useable and have not gotten around to it yet. I dont mind the boat swinging at anchor, dont really get much rolling motion. We have bilge keels on this MT50 which is supposed to tank about 10% of the roll out of the boat, but I have never noticed that to happen. Whenit rolls it rolls,
so as the sailors say "Ease her as she rolls" (smile)

Capt Bob Kovach
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com

From: Al Thomason thomason.al@gmail.com
To: 'MY ALLEZ' my_allez@yahoo.com; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:35 PM
Subject: Swinging at Anchor was --> RE: GL: Bridge etiquette ICW Beam to Wind

Bob, others.

We too swing at Anchor - which when the wind / waves are up provides the
most discomfort. What do folks do to minimize this? (Beside a stern
tie/anchor). Has anyone had luck using 'steadying sails' at anchor? Other
approaches?

Thanks
-al-

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[mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of MY ALLEZ

Allez . . . swings in arc of 40 degress at anchor in both directions.

Capt Bob Kovach
M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB
MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969
USPS CHARLESTON S.C.
EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com

Al: Most sailors will use a mizzen sail to hold the boat into the wind and it actually take some of the tension off the anchor rode. I have a steadying sail, looks brand new which we got with the boat which in my opinion will take roll out of the boat. Problem. I need to install a main sheet traveler system so I can trim the sail to make it useable and have not gotten around to it yet. I dont mind the boat swinging at anchor, dont really get much rolling motion. We have bilge keels on this MT50 which is supposed to tank about 10% of the roll out of the boat, but I have never noticed that to happen. Whenit rolls it rolls, so as the sailors say "Ease her as she rolls" (smile) Capt Bob Kovach M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969 USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com ________________________________ From: Al Thomason <thomason.al@gmail.com> To: 'MY ALLEZ' <my_allez@yahoo.com>; great-loop@lists.trawlering.com Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 12:35 PM Subject: Swinging at Anchor was --> RE: GL: Bridge etiquette ICW Beam to Wind Bob, others. We too swing at Anchor - which when the wind / waves are up provides the most discomfort. What do folks do to minimize this? (Beside a stern tie/anchor). Has anyone had luck using 'steadying sails' at anchor? Other approaches? Thanks -al- -----Original Message----- From: great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com [mailto:great-loop-bounces@lists.trawlering.com] On Behalf Of MY ALLEZ Allez . . . swings in arc of 40 degress at anchor in both directions. Capt Bob Kovach M/Y ALLEZ! MT50 WB MTOA 2631 AGLCA 1969 USPS CHARLESTON S.C. EMail: my_allez@yahoo.com