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Re: TWL: RE: Battery specification

MK
MELVIN KNOTT
Mon, Aug 4, 2003 5:26 PM

Aren't most tests/determinations done at 20 amps?... thought I saw that
somewhere.

-Mel Knott

----- Original Message -----
From: Hal Wyman twl2@halwyman.com
Date: Monday, August 4, 2003 12:48 pm
Subject: TWL: RE: Battery specification

Well, 390 minutes at 25 amps would be 25390/60 amp-hours or 162.5
amp-hours.
110 minutes at 75 amps would be 75
110/60 or 137 amp-hours.

The reason these numbers are different is that battery capacity is not
linear with load, i.e., if a battery will deliver 1 amp for 100
hours it
won't necessarily deliver 10]0 amps for 1 hour.  Higher currents
decreasethe total energy available from the battery.  I believe
batteries are
generally rated at below 25 amps, so that the first number would
be a
conservative estimate of amp-hours.

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Subject: TWL: Battery specification

This should be an easy one, but I can't seem to find the
answer online:

How do you convert/calculate battry AmpHours from either of these:

390 minutes Reserve Capacity @ 25 amps
110 minutes @ 75 Amps to 5.25V

Just trying to figure out how many AmpHours in my GolfCart
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Aren't most tests/determinations done at 20 amps?... thought I saw that somewhere. -Mel Knott ----- Original Message ----- From: Hal Wyman <twl2@halwyman.com> Date: Monday, August 4, 2003 12:48 pm Subject: TWL: RE: Battery specification > Well, 390 minutes at 25 amps would be 25*390/60 amp-hours or 162.5 > amp-hours. > 110 minutes at 75 amps would be 75*110/60 or 137 amp-hours. > > The reason these numbers are different is that battery capacity is not > linear with load, i.e., if a battery will deliver 1 amp for 100 > hours it > won't necessarily deliver 10]0 amps for 1 hour. Higher currents > decreasethe total energy available from the battery. I believe > batteries are > generally rated at below 25 amps, so that the first number would > be a > conservative estimate of amp-hours. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: trawler-world-list-bounces@lists.samurai.com > > [trawler-world-list-bounces@lists.samurai.com] On > > Behalf Of Paul Goyette > > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2003 5:51 AM > > To: Trawler World List > > Subject: TWL: Battery specification > > > > > > This should be an easy one, but I can't seem to find the > > answer online: > > > > How do you convert/calculate battry AmpHours from either of these: > > > > 390 minutes Reserve Capacity @ 25 amps > > 110 minutes @ 75 Amps to 5.25V > > > > Just trying to figure out how many AmpHours in my GolfCart > > batteries! _______________________________________________ > > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawler-world-list > > > > To Unsubscribe send email to > > trawler-world-list-request@lists.samurai.com > > Include the word "Unsubscribe" (and nothing else) in the > > subject or body of the message. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://lists.samurai.com/mailman/listinfo/trawler-world-list > > To Unsubscribe send email to trawler-world-list- > request@lists.samurai.comInclude the word "Unsubscribe" (and > nothing else) in the subject or body of the message. > >
MR
Mark Richter
Tue, Aug 5, 2003 3:16 AM

<<Aren't most tests/determinations done at 20 amps?... thought I
saw that somewhere.>>

The standard test load for deep cycle batteries to determine "amp
hour capacity" is to load the battery at a rate that will
discharge it in 20 hours, the "20 hour rate".  In other words, a
golf cart battery of 220 AH would be discharged at 11 amps, and
would be fully discharged (to 10.5v) in 20 hours.  Using a
standard discharge time instead of a standard discharge rate
(say, 25 amps) lets us sensibly compare small and large
batteries.  Discharging both at one common amperage rate unfairly
penalizes the smaller battery, due to Peukerts' effect.

=====
Mark Richter, M.E., aboard M/V Winnie the Pooh,
"Mark's Mobile Marine" electrical systems repair & consulting.  Homeport Stuart, FL  Verizon cell 772-631-7408, free after 9PM & weekends.

<<Aren't most tests/determinations done at 20 amps?... thought I saw that somewhere.>> The standard test load for deep cycle batteries to determine "amp hour capacity" is to load the battery at a rate that will discharge it in 20 hours, the "20 hour rate". In other words, a golf cart battery of 220 AH would be discharged at 11 amps, and would be fully discharged (to 10.5v) in 20 hours. Using a standard discharge time instead of a standard discharge rate (say, 25 amps) lets us sensibly compare small and large batteries. Discharging both at one common amperage rate unfairly penalizes the smaller battery, due to Peukerts' effect. ===== Mark Richter, M.E., aboard M/V Winnie the Pooh, "Mark's Mobile Marine" electrical systems repair & consulting. Homeport Stuart, FL Verizon cell 772-631-7408, free after 9PM & weekends.
MK
Mel Knott
Tue, Aug 5, 2003 10:10 AM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Richter" Richter-Pooh@rocketmail.com

<<Aren't most tests/determinations done at 20 amps?... thought I
saw that somewhere.>>

The standard test load for deep cycle batteries to determine "amp
hour capacity" is to load the battery at a rate that will
discharge it in 20 hours, the "20 hour rate".

Thanks for the clarification, Mark... right unit, wrong parameter... ;-)

-Mel

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Richter" <Richter-Pooh@rocketmail.com> > <<Aren't most tests/determinations done at 20 amps?... thought I > saw that somewhere.>> > > The standard test load for deep cycle batteries to determine "amp > hour capacity" is to load the battery at a rate that will > discharge it in 20 hours, the "20 hour rate". Thanks for the clarification, Mark... right unit, wrong parameter... ;-) -Mel