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Stephen Barnard
Tue, Feb 23, 2016 7:08 PM
This note on terminology has sparked quite an interesting discussion. I
tend to agree that "digital" is generally the preferred term given the
aforementioned limits of many others. I have also been inclined to use
"networked" when referring the to the broader context and consequences of
digital media and communication.
Steve
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1. Re: Need Sage Advice (Christian Fuchs)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:53:52 +0000
From: Christian Fuchs christian.fuchs@uti.at
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On 23/02/2016 17:39, nathan jurgenson wrote:
always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all eg
consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't just
digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
"consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
In which respect is all consumption digital? Or is it some consumption
that is digitally mediated and some consumption is the consumption of
digital products? But all consumption digital? Someone eating a
cheese-sandwich sitting on a meadow cannot be said to be digital
consumption... The act of eating is not digital and also the sandwich
and the chesse are not digital...
C.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
<davis5jl@jmu.edu mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu> wrote:
I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
book is about "new media" you may also use
"New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
creation
Best,
Jenny
Jenny L. Davis
Assistant Professor of Sociology
James Madison University
Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
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i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
saskia
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh <avenkate@uci.edu
<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>> wrote:
Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
realize there is not much to choose from..
AV
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
<Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au
<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi
I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is even
more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
Deborah
Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
News & Media Research Centre
Faculty of Arts & Design
Bldg 9, Room 9C9
University of Canberra
Bruce 2601
Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
Latest books: The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
(2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social Worlds
of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
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Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
friendly note to the editor stating that
the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
history....I don't
have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly worse...so
I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate term...
Any thoughts?
Alladi Venkatesh
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:13:06 -0600
From: Nick Judd ncj@uchicago.edu
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"-- and the web" might be better if one is speaking only of what one
sees in one's browser + mobile browser.
"Web" as short for "World Wide Web" primarily refers to a combination of
three technologies: URLs/URIs, HTTP protocol, and HTML. Even in popular
usage, we separate the Web from the walled-garden experiences that both
a.) install software on a user device and b.) conceal any interaction
with the three above technologies from the user. Consider the "mobile
Web" (such as it is) versus "apps," for instance. Of course "apps" are
nontrivial when we are interested in experiences mediated by digital
technologies.
Given that we are interested in production and consumption, this could
be useful. For e.g., Instagram execs need not worry about how a user's
choice to install ad blocking software interrupts the exchanges they
want users to make. There is a larger set of behaviors available to a
user on the "web."
It might also be useful to allow some distinction between what people do
in such a mediated interaction versus an interaction in letters versus
face-to-face ...
Best Regards,
Nick Judd
Department of Sociology
The University of Chicago
On 02/23/2016 11:39 AM, nathan jurgenson wrote:
always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all
eg consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't
just digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
"consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
<davis5jl@jmu.edu mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu> wrote:
I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
book is about "new media" you may also use
"New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
creation
Best,
Jenny
Jenny L. Davis
Assistant Professor of Sociology
James Madison University
Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
*From:* CITASA [citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org
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*To:* Alladi Venkatesh
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*Subject:* Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
saskia
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh
<avenkate@uci.edu <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>> wrote:
Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
realize there is not much to choose from..
AV
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
<Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au
<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>> wrote:
Hi
I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is
even more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
Deborah
Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
News & Media Research Centre
Faculty of Arts & Design
Bldg 9, Room 9C9
University of Canberra
Bruce 2601
Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
Latest books: The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
(2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social
Worlds of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
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Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
friendly note to the editor stating that
the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
history....I don't
have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly
worse...so I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate
term...
Any thoughts?
Alladi Venkatesh
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T - 212.854.0790 F - 212.854.2963
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This note on terminology has sparked quite an interesting discussion. I
tend to agree that "digital" is generally the preferred term given the
aforementioned limits of many others. I have also been inclined to use
"networked" when referring the to the broader context and consequences of
digital media and communication.
Steve
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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St. Lawrence University
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:53:52 +0000
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> On 23/02/2016 17:39, nathan jurgenson wrote:
> > always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
> > wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all eg
> > consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't just
> > digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
> > "consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
>
> In which respect is all consumption digital? Or is it some consumption
> that is digitally mediated and some consumption is the consumption of
> digital products? But all consumption digital? Someone eating a
> cheese-sandwich sitting on a meadow cannot be said to be digital
> consumption... The act of eating is not digital and also the sandwich
> and the chesse are not digital...
> C.
>
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
> > <davis5jl@jmu.edu <mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
> > book is about "new media" you may also use
> >
> > "New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
> > problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
> creation
> >
> > Best,
> > Jenny
> >
> > Jenny L. Davis
> > Assistant Professor of Sociology
> > James Madison University
> > Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
> > Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* CITASA [citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org
> > <mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org>] on behalf of Saskia Sassen
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> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:26 AM
> > *To:* Alladi Venkatesh
> > *Cc:* citasa@list.citasa.org <mailto:citasa@list.citasa.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
> >
> > i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
> > course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
> > saskia
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh <avenkate@uci.edu
> > <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
> > thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
> > realize there is not much to choose from..
> >
> > AV
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
> > <Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au
> > <mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
> > offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is even
> > more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
> > >
> > > Deborah
> > >
> > > Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
> > > News & Media Research Centre
> > > Faculty of Arts & Design
> > > Bldg 9, Room 9C9
> > > University of Canberra
> > > Bruce 2601
> > > Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
> > Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
> > > Latest books: The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
> > (2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social Worlds
> > of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
> > > Blog: This Sociological Life
> > > Twitter: @DALupton
> > >
> > >
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> > Venkatesh <avenkate@uci.edu <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>>
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> > > Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
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> > > Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
> > consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
> > friendly note to the editor stating that
> > > the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
> > history....I don't
> > > have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly worse...so
> > I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate term...
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
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> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:13:06 -0600
> From: Nick Judd <ncj@uchicago.edu>
> To: citasa@list.citasa.org
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> "-- and the web" might be better if one is speaking only of what one
> sees in one's browser + mobile browser.
>
> "Web" as short for "World Wide Web" primarily refers to a combination of
> three technologies: URLs/URIs, HTTP protocol, and HTML. Even in popular
> usage, we separate the Web from the walled-garden experiences that both
> a.) install software on a user device and b.) conceal any interaction
> with the three above technologies from the user. Consider the "mobile
> Web" (such as it is) versus "apps," for instance. Of course "apps" are
> nontrivial when we are interested in experiences mediated by digital
> technologies.
>
> Given that we are interested in production and consumption, this could
> be useful. For e.g., Instagram execs need not worry about how a user's
> choice to install ad blocking software interrupts the exchanges they
> want users to make. There is a larger set of behaviors available to a
> user on the "web."
>
> It might also be useful to allow some distinction between what people do
> in such a mediated interaction versus an interaction in letters versus
> face-to-face ...
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Nick Judd
> Department of Sociology
> The University of Chicago
>
> On 02/23/2016 11:39 AM, nathan jurgenson wrote:
> > always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
> > wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all
> > eg consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't
> > just digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
> > "consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
> > <davis5jl@jmu.edu <mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
> > book is about "new media" you may also use
> >
> > "New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
> > problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
> > creation
> >
> > Best,
> > Jenny
> >
> > Jenny L. Davis
> > Assistant Professor of Sociology
> > James Madison University
> > Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
> > Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* CITASA [citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org
> > <mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org>] on behalf of Saskia
> > Sassen [sjs2@columbia.edu <mailto:sjs2@columbia.edu>]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:26 AM
> > *To:* Alladi Venkatesh
> > *Cc:* citasa@list.citasa.org <mailto:citasa@list.citasa.org>
> > *Subject:* Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
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> > i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
> > course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
> > saskia
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh
> > <avenkate@uci.edu <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
> > thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
> > realize there is not much to choose from..
> >
> > AV
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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> > > On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
> > <Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au
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> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
> > offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is
> > even more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
> > >
> > > Deborah
> > >
> > > Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
> > > News & Media Research Centre
> > > Faculty of Arts & Design
> > > Bldg 9, Room 9C9
> > > University of Canberra
> > > Bruce 2601
> > > Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
> > Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
> > > Latest books: The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
> > (2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social
> > Worlds of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
> > > Blog: This Sociological Life
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> > > Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
> > consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
> > friendly note to the editor stating that
> > > the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
> > history....I don't
> > > have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly
> > worse...so I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate
> > term...
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Guobin Yang
Tue, Feb 23, 2016 7:33 PM
Of relevance to this discussion about terminology is a forthcoming book titled Digital Keywords: A Vocabulary of Information Society and Culture, edited by Benjamin Peters:
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10696.html
-Guobin Yang
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This note on terminology has sparked quite an interesting discussion. I tend to agree that "digital" is generally the preferred term given the aforementioned limits of many others. I have also been inclined to use "networked" when referring the to the broader context and consequences of digital media and communication.
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:53:52 +0000
From: Christian Fuchs <christian.fuchs@uti.at<mailto:christian.fuchs@uti.at>>
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On 23/02/2016 17:39, nathan jurgenson wrote:
always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all eg
consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't just
digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
"consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
In which respect is all consumption digital? Or is it some consumption
that is digitally mediated and some consumption is the consumption of
digital products? But all consumption digital? Someone eating a
cheese-sandwich sitting on a meadow cannot be said to be digital
consumption... The act of eating is not digital and also the sandwich
and the chesse are not digital...
C.
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
<davis5jl@jmu.edumailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu <mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edumailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu>> wrote:
I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
book is about "new media" you may also use
"New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content creation
Best,
Jenny
Jenny L. Davis
Assistant Professor of Sociology
James Madison University
Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
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i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
saskia
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh <avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>
<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>>> wrote:
Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
realize there is not much to choose from..
AV
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
<Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>
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Hi
I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is even
more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
Deborah
Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
News & Media Research Centre
Faculty of Arts & Design
Bldg 9, Room 9C9
University of Canberra
Bruce 2601
Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
Latest books: The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
(2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social Worlds
of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
Blog: This Sociological Life
Twitter: @DALupton
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Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
friendly note to the editor stating that
the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
history....I don't
have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly worse...so
I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate term...
Any thoughts?
Alladi Venkatesh
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From: Nick Judd <ncj@uchicago.edumailto:ncj@uchicago.edu>
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"-- and the web" might be better if one is speaking only of what one
sees in one's browser + mobile browser.
"Web" as short for "World Wide Web" primarily refers to a combination of
three technologies: URLs/URIs, HTTP protocol, and HTML. Even in popular
usage, we separate the Web from the walled-garden experiences that both
a.) install software on a user device and b.) conceal any interaction
with the three above technologies from the user. Consider the "mobile
Web" (such as it is) versus "apps," for instance. Of course "apps" are
nontrivial when we are interested in experiences mediated by digital
technologies.
Given that we are interested in production and consumption, this could
be useful. For e.g., Instagram execs need not worry about how a user's
choice to install ad blocking software interrupts the exchanges they
want users to make. There is a larger set of behaviors available to a
user on the "web."
It might also be useful to allow some distinction between what people do
in such a mediated interaction versus an interaction in letters versus
face-to-face ...
Best Regards,
Nick Judd
Department of Sociology
The University of Chicago
On 02/23/2016 11:39 AM, nathan jurgenson wrote:
always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all
eg consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't
just digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
"consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
<davis5jl@jmu.edumailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu <mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edumailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu>> wrote:
I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
book is about "new media" you may also use
"New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
creation
Best,
Jenny
Jenny L. Davis
Assistant Professor of Sociology
James Madison University
Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
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i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
saskia
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh
<avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu> <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>>> wrote:
Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
realize there is not much to choose from..
AV
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
<Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>
<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>>> wrote:
Hi
I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is
even more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
Deborah
Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
News & Media Research Centre
Faculty of Arts & Design
Bldg 9, Room 9C9
University of Canberra
Bruce 2601
Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
Latest books: The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
(2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social
Worlds of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
Blog: This Sociological Life
Twitter: @DALupton
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Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
friendly note to the editor stating that
the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
history....I don't
have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly
worse...so I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate
term...
Any thoughts?
Alladi Venkatesh
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Of relevance to this discussion about terminology is a forthcoming book titled Digital Keywords: A Vocabulary of Information Society and Culture, edited by Benjamin Peters:
http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10696.html
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This note on terminology has sparked quite an interesting discussion. I tend to agree that "digital" is generally the preferred term given the aforementioned limits of many others. I have also been inclined to use "networked" when referring the to the broader context and consequences of digital media and communication.
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 17:53:52 +0000
From: Christian Fuchs <christian.fuchs@uti.at<mailto:christian.fuchs@uti.at>>
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On 23/02/2016 17:39, nathan jurgenson wrote:
> always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
> wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all eg
> consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't just
> digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
> "consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
In which respect is all consumption digital? Or is it some consumption
that is digitally mediated and some consumption is the consumption of
digital products? But all consumption digital? Someone eating a
cheese-sandwich sitting on a meadow cannot be said to be digital
consumption... The act of eating is not digital and also the sandwich
and the chesse are not digital...
C.
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
> <davis5jl@jmu.edu<mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu> <mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu<mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu>>> wrote:
>
> I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
> book is about "new media" you may also use
>
> "New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
> problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content creation
>
> Best,
> Jenny
>
> Jenny L. Davis
> Assistant Professor of Sociology
> James Madison University
> Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
> Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
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>
> i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
> course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
> saskia
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh <avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>
> <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>>> wrote:
>
> Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
> thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
> realize there is not much to choose from..
>
> AV
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
> <Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>
> <mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
> offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is even
> more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
> >
> > Deborah
> >
> > Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
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> (2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social Worlds
> of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
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> > Twitter: @DALupton
> >
> >
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> Venkatesh <avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu> <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>>>
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> > Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
> >
> > Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
> consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
> friendly note to the editor stating that
> > the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
> history....I don't
> > have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly worse...so
> I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate term...
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Alladi Venkatesh
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 12:13:06 -0600
From: Nick Judd <ncj@uchicago.edu<mailto:ncj@uchicago.edu>>
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"-- and the web" might be better if one is speaking only of what one
sees in one's browser + mobile browser.
"Web" as short for "World Wide Web" primarily refers to a combination of
three technologies: URLs/URIs, HTTP protocol, and HTML. Even in popular
usage, we separate the Web from the walled-garden experiences that both
a.) install software on a user device and b.) conceal any interaction
with the three above technologies from the user. Consider the "mobile
Web" (such as it is) versus "apps," for instance. Of course "apps" are
nontrivial when we are interested in experiences mediated by digital
technologies.
Given that we are interested in production and consumption, this could
be useful. For e.g., Instagram execs need not worry about how a user's
choice to install ad blocking software interrupts the exchanges they
want users to make. There is a larger set of behaviors available to a
user on the "web."
It might also be useful to allow some distinction between what people do
in such a mediated interaction versus an interaction in letters versus
face-to-face ...
Best Regards,
Nick Judd
Department of Sociology
The University of Chicago
On 02/23/2016 11:39 AM, nathan jurgenson wrote:
> always feel like adding digital cyber virtual etc is misleading and
> wrong (assumes the web as a separate sphere, downplays the degree all
> eg consumption is digital and all consumption via the screen isn't
> just digital and so on). one way around the problem is reframing it as
> "consumption and the web" or "digitality and the web" :)
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Davis, Jennifer Lauren - davis5jl
> <davis5jl@jmu.edu<mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu> <mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu<mailto:davis5jl@jmu.edu>>> wrote:
>
> I Agree with digital as a generally decent option. Given that the
> book is about "new media" you may also use
>
> "New Media Prosumption." This gets around some of the language
> problems and captures the multi-directional nature of content
> creation
>
> Best,
> Jenny
>
> Jenny L. Davis
> Assistant Professor of Sociology
> James Madison University
> Co-Editor: Cyborgology.org <http://thesocietypages.org/cyborgology/>
> Twitter: @Jenny_L_Davis <https://twitter.com/Jenny_L_Davis>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Sassen [sjs2@columbia.edu<mailto:sjs2@columbia.edu> <mailto:sjs2@columbia.edu<mailto:sjs2@columbia.edu>>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 23, 2016 7:26 AM
> *To:* Alladi Venkatesh
> *Cc:* citasa@list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa@list.citasa.org> <mailto:citasa@list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa@list.citasa.org>>
> *Subject:* Re: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
>
> i agree--digital is by far the best...Its actual meaning is of
> course narrower than the way the concept is deployed, but that is ok.
> saskia
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 3:19 AM, Alladi Venkatesh
> <avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu> <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>>> wrote:
>
> Thank you...you are probably right and I do respect your
> thoughts.. I will wait for a few more comments, if any..I do
> realize there is not much to choose from..
>
> AV
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 23, 2016, at 12:12 AM, "Deborah.Lupton"
> <Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>
> <mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au<mailto:Deborah.Lupton@canberra.edu.au>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > I think 'digital' is a way better term than any other
> offerings - certainly less unwieldy than 'ICTs'. 'Cyber' is
> even more dated, and 'virtual' has its own meaning.
> >
> > Deborah
> >
> > Deborah Lupton, Centenary Research Professor
> > News & Media Research Centre
> > Faculty of Arts & Design
> > Bldg 9, Room 9C9
> > University of Canberra
> > Bruce 2601
> > Australia (Australian Government Higher Education Registered
> Provider (CRICOS) #00212K)
> > Latest books: The Quantified Self (2016), Digital Sociology
> (2015), Risk, 2nd edition (2013), Fat (2013), The Social
> Worlds of the Unborn (2013), The Unborn Human (edited, 2013).
> > Blog: This Sociological Life
> > Twitter: @DALupton
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________
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> <mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org<mailto:citasa-bounces@list.citasa.org>>> on behalf of Alladi
> Venkatesh <avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu> <mailto:avenkate@uci.edu<mailto:avenkate@uci.edu>>>
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> > Subject: [CITASA] Need Sage Advice
> >
> > Recently I was asked to contribute a chapter on "digital
> consumption" to an Edited book on new media etc. I sent a
> friendly note to the editor stating that
> > the word "digital" is so 2005 or thereabouts and is
> history....I don't
> > have a good substitute..."virtual" sounds slightly
> worse...so I am now in a fix and am looking for an appropriate
> term...
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Alladi Venkatesh
> > _______________________________________________
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