FJ
Felds, James
Sun, Jul 12, 2020 2:31 PM
Hi Bob and Tom,
I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far enough
into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments to the chain
or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship cleats
are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting a wide
enough angle to make this configuration work.
My big question is this:
Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that she's
set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2" line with a
rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from where the chain
hits the water how far down the chain does the attached 1/2" line have to
be connected to get the right angle to direct the hull into the swell?
Thanks.
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Jim Felds, mobile
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran Bob@mvsanderling.net wrote:
You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack while the
bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the bridle
using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to your
forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll want a
bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
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On 7/10/2020 11:37 AM, Felds, James via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
Hi All,
I'm in a terrible swell in St. George's, Grenada. So bad that I think I
will try a bridle from the anchor chain rode to the midship or stern
My bow pulpit is 8.5' above the water and I attach the snubber by lying
down on the pulpit and reaching beneath the sprit to the chain and attach
it, then let chain out to the appropriate catenary.
I've read that the bridle line should be attached to the chain rode about
30' from the bow. Can anyone confirm this?
I'm in a trawler so not sure how I would affix the new bridle line to the
chain rode below where the snubber is attached. Do I disconnect the
snubber, bring in another 20' of chain, tie the rolling hitch to the
let it out 20' then reattach the snubber?
Quick replies would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jim Felds
M/Y Kokomo
Hatteras 48 LRC
US Phone: 910-352-7119
Caribbean: 590-6600-96453
Jim@Focustarcapital.com
www.LifeonKokomo.com (Blog)
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Hi Bob and Tom,
I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far enough
into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments to the chain
or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship cleats
are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting a wide
enough angle to make this configuration work.
My big question is this:
Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that she's
set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2" line with a
rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from where the chain
hits the water how far down the chain does the attached 1/2" line have to
be connected to get the right angle to direct the hull into the swell?
Thanks.
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Jim Felds, mobile
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran <Bob@mvsanderling.net> wrote:
> You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack while the
> bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
> wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the bridle
> using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
> fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to your
> forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll want a
> bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
> out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
>
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> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina
> MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base
> DeFever 41 Trawler for sale Melbourne, Florida
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> Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/
> Site: http://Ourphotos.hopto.org
> Site: http://SanderlingBlog.hopto.org
>
> On 7/10/2020 11:37 AM, Felds, James via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm in a terrible swell in St. George's, Grenada. So bad that I think I
> > will try a bridle from the anchor chain rode to the midship or stern
> cleat.
> >
> > My bow pulpit is 8.5' above the water and I attach the snubber by lying
> > down on the pulpit and reaching beneath the sprit to the chain and attach
> > it, then let chain out to the appropriate catenary.
> >
> > I've read that the bridle line should be attached to the chain rode about
> > 30' from the bow. Can anyone confirm this?
> >
> > I'm in a trawler so not sure how I would affix the new bridle line to the
> > chain rode below where the snubber is attached. Do I disconnect the
> > snubber, bring in another 20' of chain, tie the rolling hitch to the
> chain,
> > let it out 20' then reattach the snubber?
> >
> > Quick replies would be appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> > Jim Felds
> > M/Y Kokomo
> > Hatteras 48 LRC
> > US Phone: 910-352-7119
> > Caribbean: 590-6600-96453
> > Jim@Focustarcapital.com
> > www.LifeonKokomo.com (Blog)
> > Lying St. George's, Grenada
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Bob McLeran
Sun, Jul 12, 2020 2:41 PM
Jim, this is a bad time to be experimenting, but experimenting is the
only way you'll find a solution. Every boat is different; every
swell/wind condition is different. FWIW, I'd suggest reattaching the
bridle to an aft-most cleat, then let out more chain to place the chain
end of the bridle further away from the boat. There's no way to give you
specific measurements; in the long run, it doesn't make any difference
how much anchor chain you have out - the operative distance is between
the bridle's attachment point (on the chain) and your bow roller.
Anything beyond the attachment point is basically irrelevant to the
triangle you need to create.
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On 7/12/2020 10:31 AM, Felds, James wrote:
Hi Bob and Tom,
I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far
enough into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments
to the chain or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship
cleats are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting
a wide enough angle to make this configuration work.
My big question is this:
Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that
she's set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2"
line with a rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from
where the chain hits the water how far down the chain does the
attached 1/2" line have to be connected to get the right angle to
direct the hull into the swell? Thanks.
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Jim Felds, mobile
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran <Bob@mvsanderling.net
mailto:Bob@mvsanderling.net> wrote:
You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack
while the
bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the
bridle
using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to
your
forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll
want a
bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
Jim, this is a bad time to be experimenting, but experimenting is the
only way you'll find a solution. Every boat is different; every
swell/wind condition is different. FWIW, I'd suggest reattaching the
bridle to an aft-most cleat, then let out more chain to place the chain
end of the bridle further away from the boat. There's no way to give you
specific measurements; in the long run, it doesn't make any difference
how much anchor chain you have out - the operative distance is between
the bridle's attachment point (on the chain) and your bow roller.
Anything beyond the attachment point is basically irrelevant to the
triangle you need to create.
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DeFever 41 Trawler for sale-asking $75K Melbourne, Florida
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On 7/12/2020 10:31 AM, Felds, James wrote:
> Hi Bob and Tom,
>
> I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far
> enough into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments
> to the chain or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
>
> Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship
> cleats are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting
> a wide enough angle to make this configuration work.
>
> My big question is this:
>
> Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that
> she's set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2"
> line with a rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from
> where the chain hits the water how far down the chain does the
> attached 1/2" line have to be connected to get the right angle to
> direct the hull into the swell? Thanks.
>
> Jim
> M/Y Kokomo
>
> Jim Felds, mobile
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran <Bob@mvsanderling.net
> <mailto:Bob@mvsanderling.net>> wrote:
>
> You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack
> while the
> bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
> wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the
> bridle
> using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
> fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to
> your
> forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll
> want a
> bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
> out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
>
TC
Tom Collier
Sun, Jul 12, 2020 4:57 PM
Jim
I started with about 7:1, attached the 1/2” line and led it back to the stern cleat. (I could never get enough angle from midship.) Them I would let out additional anchor rode until I had the angle that I needed. Last, I reattached my snubber. Also, as I mentioned before, I learned to keep enough extra line at the stern that I could loosen the line to allow the bow back into the wind without disturbing the anchor rode or snubber if the weather changed. Lastly, watch your chafe protection on your snubber and your warping line.
As I think Bob correctly pointed out, every boat is different and you are going to have to play around with this to find out what your boat really likes.
Not sure that I would be comfortable with 5:1 because you are putting more load on the anchor when you do this. However, getting the bow into the swells sure makes for a better nights sleep.
Tom Collier
Pirate - KK42
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Felds, James jimfelds@focustarcapital.com wrote:
Hi Bob and Tom,
I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far enough into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments to the chain or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship cleats are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting a wide enough angle to make this configuration work.
My big question is this:
Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that she's set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2" line with a rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from where the chain hits the water how far down the chain does the attached 1/2" line have to be connected to get the right angle to direct the hull into the swell? Thanks.
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Jim Felds, mobile
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran Bob@mvsanderling.net wrote:
You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack while the
bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the bridle
using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to your
forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll want a
bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
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Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina
MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base
DeFever 41 Trawler for sale Melbourne, Florida
Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog
Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/
Site: http://Ourphotos.hopto.org
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On 7/10/2020 11:37 AM, Felds, James via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
Hi All,
I'm in a terrible swell in St. George's, Grenada. So bad that I think I
will try a bridle from the anchor chain rode to the midship or stern cleat.
My bow pulpit is 8.5' above the water and I attach the snubber by lying
down on the pulpit and reaching beneath the sprit to the chain and attach
it, then let chain out to the appropriate catenary.
I've read that the bridle line should be attached to the chain rode about
30' from the bow. Can anyone confirm this?
I'm in a trawler so not sure how I would affix the new bridle line to the
chain rode below where the snubber is attached. Do I disconnect the
snubber, bring in another 20' of chain, tie the rolling hitch to the chain,
let it out 20' then reattach the snubber?
Quick replies would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jim Felds
M/Y Kokomo
Hatteras 48 LRC
US Phone: 910-352-7119
Caribbean: 590-6600-96453
Jim@Focustarcapital.com
www.LifeonKokomo.com (Blog)
Lying St. George's, Grenada
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I started with about 7:1, attached the 1/2” line and led it back to the stern cleat. (I could never get enough angle from midship.) Them I would let out additional anchor rode until I had the angle that I needed. Last, I reattached my snubber. Also, as I mentioned before, I learned to keep enough extra line at the stern that I could loosen the line to allow the bow back into the wind without disturbing the anchor rode or snubber if the weather changed. Lastly, watch your chafe protection on your snubber and your warping line.
As I think Bob correctly pointed out, every boat is different and you are going to have to play around with this to find out what your boat really likes.
Not sure that I would be comfortable with 5:1 because you are putting more load on the anchor when you do this. However, getting the bow into the swells sure makes for a better nights sleep.
Tom Collier
Pirate - KK42
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Felds, James <jimfelds@focustarcapital.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bob and Tom,
>
> I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far enough into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments to the chain or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
>
> Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship cleats are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting a wide enough angle to make this configuration work.
>
> My big question is this:
>
> Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that she's set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2" line with a rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from where the chain hits the water how far down the chain does the attached 1/2" line have to be connected to get the right angle to direct the hull into the swell? Thanks.
>
> Jim
> M/Y Kokomo
>
> Jim Felds, mobile
>
>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran <Bob@mvsanderling.net> wrote:
>> You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack while the
>> bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
>> wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the bridle
>> using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
>> fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to your
>> forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll want a
>> bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
>> out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
>>
>> <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><>
>> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina
>> MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base
>> DeFever 41 Trawler for sale Melbourne, Florida
>> Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog
>> Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/
>> Site: http://Ourphotos.hopto.org
>> Site: http://SanderlingBlog.hopto.org
>>
>> On 7/10/2020 11:37 AM, Felds, James via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I'm in a terrible swell in St. George's, Grenada. So bad that I think I
>> > will try a bridle from the anchor chain rode to the midship or stern cleat.
>> >
>> > My bow pulpit is 8.5' above the water and I attach the snubber by lying
>> > down on the pulpit and reaching beneath the sprit to the chain and attach
>> > it, then let chain out to the appropriate catenary.
>> >
>> > I've read that the bridle line should be attached to the chain rode about
>> > 30' from the bow. Can anyone confirm this?
>> >
>> > I'm in a trawler so not sure how I would affix the new bridle line to the
>> > chain rode below where the snubber is attached. Do I disconnect the
>> > snubber, bring in another 20' of chain, tie the rolling hitch to the chain,
>> > let it out 20' then reattach the snubber?
>> >
>> > Quick replies would be appreciated. Thanks.
>> >
>> > Jim Felds
>> > M/Y Kokomo
>> > Hatteras 48 LRC
>> > US Phone: 910-352-7119
>> > Caribbean: 590-6600-96453
>> > Jim@Focustarcapital.com
>> > www.LifeonKokomo.com (Blog)
>> > Lying St. George's, Grenada
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FJ
Felds, James
Sun, Jul 12, 2020 7:06 PM
Tom,
Thanks for the precise instructions. I hadn't considered the security of
5:1 rode being challenged by the warping line; good point.
I will give it a go! Thanks.
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Jim Felds, mobile
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:57 PM Tom Collier pirate@krogen42.com wrote:
Jim
I started with about 7:1, attached the 1/2” line and led it back to the
stern cleat. (I could never get enough angle from midship.) Them I would
let out additional anchor rode until I had the angle that I needed. Last, I
reattached my snubber. Also, as I mentioned before, I learned to keep
enough extra line at the stern that I could loosen the line to allow the
bow back into the wind without disturbing the anchor rode or snubber if the
weather changed. Lastly, watch your chafe protection on your snubber and
your warping line.
As I think Bob correctly pointed out, every boat is different and you are
going to have to play around with this to find out what your boat really
likes.
Not sure that I would be comfortable with 5:1 because you are putting more
load on the anchor when you do this. However, getting the bow into the
swells sure makes for a better nights sleep.
Tom Collier
Pirate - KK42
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Felds, James jimfelds@focustarcapital.com
wrote:
Hi Bob and Tom,
I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far enough
into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments to the chain
or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship
cleats are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting a
wide enough angle to make this configuration work.
My big question is this:
Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that she's
set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2" line with a
rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from where the chain
hits the water how far down the chain does the attached 1/2" line have to
be connected to get the right angle to direct the hull into the swell?
Thanks.
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Jim Felds, mobile
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran Bob@mvsanderling.net wrote:
You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack while the
bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the bridle
using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to your
forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll want a
bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
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Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina
MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base
DeFever 41 Trawler for sale Melbourne, Florida
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On 7/10/2020 11:37 AM, Felds, James via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
Hi All,
I'm in a terrible swell in St. George's, Grenada. So bad that I think I
will try a bridle from the anchor chain rode to the midship or stern
My bow pulpit is 8.5' above the water and I attach the snubber by lying
down on the pulpit and reaching beneath the sprit to the chain and
it, then let chain out to the appropriate catenary.
I've read that the bridle line should be attached to the chain rode
30' from the bow. Can anyone confirm this?
I'm in a trawler so not sure how I would affix the new bridle line to
chain rode below where the snubber is attached. Do I disconnect the
snubber, bring in another 20' of chain, tie the rolling hitch to the
let it out 20' then reattach the snubber?
Quick replies would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jim Felds
M/Y Kokomo
Hatteras 48 LRC
US Phone: 910-352-7119
Caribbean: 590-6600-96453
Jim@Focustarcapital.com
www.LifeonKokomo.com (Blog)
Lying St. George's, Grenada
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Tom,
Thanks for the precise instructions. I hadn't considered the security of
5:1 rode being challenged by the warping line; good point.
I will give it a go! Thanks.
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Jim Felds, mobile
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:57 PM Tom Collier <pirate@krogen42.com> wrote:
> Jim
>
> I started with about 7:1, attached the 1/2” line and led it back to the
> stern cleat. (I could never get enough angle from midship.) Them I would
> let out additional anchor rode until I had the angle that I needed. Last, I
> reattached my snubber. Also, as I mentioned before, I learned to keep
> enough extra line at the stern that I could loosen the line to allow the
> bow back into the wind without disturbing the anchor rode or snubber if the
> weather changed. Lastly, watch your chafe protection on your snubber and
> your warping line.
>
> As I think Bob correctly pointed out, every boat is different and you are
> going to have to play around with this to find out what your boat really
> likes.
>
> Not sure that I would be comfortable with 5:1 because you are putting more
> load on the anchor when you do this. However, getting the bow into the
> swells sure makes for a better nights sleep.
>
> Tom Collier
> Pirate - KK42
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Felds, James <jimfelds@focustarcapital.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bob and Tom,
>
> I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far enough
> into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments to the chain
> or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
>
> Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship
> cleats are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting a
> wide enough angle to make this configuration work.
>
> My big question is this:
>
> Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that she's
> set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2" line with a
> rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from where the chain
> hits the water how far down the chain does the attached 1/2" line have to
> be connected to get the right angle to direct the hull into the swell?
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
> M/Y Kokomo
>
> Jim Felds, mobile
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran <Bob@mvsanderling.net> wrote:
>
>> You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack while the
>> bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
>> wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the bridle
>> using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
>> fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to your
>> forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll want a
>> bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
>> out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
>>
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>> Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/
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>> On 7/10/2020 11:37 AM, Felds, James via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I'm in a terrible swell in St. George's, Grenada. So bad that I think I
>> > will try a bridle from the anchor chain rode to the midship or stern
>> cleat.
>> >
>> > My bow pulpit is 8.5' above the water and I attach the snubber by lying
>> > down on the pulpit and reaching beneath the sprit to the chain and
>> attach
>> > it, then let chain out to the appropriate catenary.
>> >
>> > I've read that the bridle line should be attached to the chain rode
>> about
>> > 30' from the bow. Can anyone confirm this?
>> >
>> > I'm in a trawler so not sure how I would affix the new bridle line to
>> the
>> > chain rode below where the snubber is attached. Do I disconnect the
>> > snubber, bring in another 20' of chain, tie the rolling hitch to the
>> chain,
>> > let it out 20' then reattach the snubber?
>> >
>> > Quick replies would be appreciated. Thanks.
>> >
>> > Jim Felds
>> > M/Y Kokomo
>> > Hatteras 48 LRC
>> > US Phone: 910-352-7119
>> > Caribbean: 590-6600-96453
>> > Jim@Focustarcapital.com
>> > www.LifeonKokomo.com (Blog)
>> > Lying St. George's, Grenada
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Rudy Sechez
Sun, Jul 12, 2020 7:57 PM
Haven't gotten to the other responses yet, but my answer would be to roller
hitch the spring line somewhere around 1/3rd to 3/5th of the amount of rode
out from the bow roller. Circumstances vary, so I wouldn't be surprised if
you needed to experiment.
Using a cleat forward of the boat's pivot point requires a tremendous
amount of load on the spring line, if it will be successful to begin with,
to do the same job if the spring line was attached aft of the boat's pivot
point.
Block and tackle would be helpful to tighten in on the spring line, or some
other form of mechanical advantage if you can lead the spring line fair.
For a boat your size, James, I'm surprised that you aren't using a spring
line more in the size of 3/4-7/8 inch, though I'd understand if /12 inch
was all you have available to you at this point.
Still waiting patiently for hear of success.
*Rudy & Jill Sechez *
*BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler *
*850-832-7748 *
Annapolis MD Chesapeake
Haven't gotten to the other responses yet, but my answer would be to roller
hitch the spring line somewhere around 1/3rd to 3/5th of the amount of rode
out from the bow roller. Circumstances vary, so I wouldn't be surprised if
you needed to experiment.
Using a cleat forward of the boat's pivot point requires a tremendous
amount of load on the spring line, if it will be successful to begin with,
to do the same job if the spring line was attached aft of the boat's pivot
point.
Block and tackle would be helpful to tighten in on the spring line, or some
other form of mechanical advantage if you can lead the spring line fair.
For a boat your size, James, I'm surprised that you aren't using a spring
line more in the size of 3/4-7/8 inch, though I'd understand if /12 inch
was all you have available to you at this point.
*Still waiting patiently for hear of success.*
*Rudy & Jill Sechez *
*BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler *
*850-832-7748 *
*Annapolis MD Chesapeake*
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Felds, James
Sun, Jul 12, 2020 8:02 PM
Hi Guys,
Thanks to all of you plus the names I've forgotten. You all played your
part in getting me to understand what seems to be so easy but as we all
know "one size doesn't fit all."
A special shout out to Tom Collier who spelled it out so that I wouldn't be
afraid to push the envelope with a 1/2" warping line and deploying so much
chain. In the end I hope you can see that the pictures tell the story.
This is a great group of captains and it's great to know that we can count
on one another.
Perhaps we'll sleep tonight!! Thanks again.
Regards,
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Hatteras 48 LRC
Lying St. George's, Grenada
Jim Felds, mobile
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:57 PM Tom Collier pirate@krogen42.com wrote:
Jim
I started with about 7:1, attached the 1/2” line and led it back to the
stern cleat. (I could never get enough angle from midship.) Them I would
let out additional anchor rode until I had the angle that I needed. Last, I
reattached my snubber. Also, as I mentioned before, I learned to keep
enough extra line at the stern that I could loosen the line to allow the
bow back into the wind without disturbing the anchor rode or snubber if the
weather changed. Lastly, watch your chafe protection on your snubber and
your warping line.
As I think Bob correctly pointed out, every boat is different and you are
going to have to play around with this to find out what your boat really
likes.
Not sure that I would be comfortable with 5:1 because you are putting more
load on the anchor when you do this. However, getting the bow into the
swells sure makes for a better nights sleep.
Tom Collier
Pirate - KK42
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Felds, James jimfelds@focustarcapital.com
wrote:
Hi Bob and Tom,
I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far enough
into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments to the chain
or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship
cleats are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting a
wide enough angle to make this configuration work.
My big question is this:
Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that she's
set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2" line with a
rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from where the chain
hits the water how far down the chain does the attached 1/2" line have to
be connected to get the right angle to direct the hull into the swell?
Thanks.
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Jim Felds, mobile
On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran Bob@mvsanderling.net wrote:
You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack while the
bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the bridle
using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to your
forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll want a
bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
<><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><>
Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina
MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base
DeFever 41 Trawler for sale Melbourne, Florida
Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog
Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/
Site: http://Ourphotos.hopto.org
Site: http://SanderlingBlog.hopto.org
On 7/10/2020 11:37 AM, Felds, James via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
Hi All,
I'm in a terrible swell in St. George's, Grenada. So bad that I think I
will try a bridle from the anchor chain rode to the midship or stern
My bow pulpit is 8.5' above the water and I attach the snubber by lying
down on the pulpit and reaching beneath the sprit to the chain and
it, then let chain out to the appropriate catenary.
I've read that the bridle line should be attached to the chain rode
30' from the bow. Can anyone confirm this?
I'm in a trawler so not sure how I would affix the new bridle line to
chain rode below where the snubber is attached. Do I disconnect the
snubber, bring in another 20' of chain, tie the rolling hitch to the
let it out 20' then reattach the snubber?
Quick replies would be appreciated. Thanks.
Jim Felds
M/Y Kokomo
Hatteras 48 LRC
US Phone: 910-352-7119
Caribbean: 590-6600-96453
Jim@Focustarcapital.com
www.LifeonKokomo.com (Blog)
Lying St. George's, Grenada
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Hi Guys,
Thanks to all of you plus the names I've forgotten. You all played your
part in getting me to understand what seems to be so easy but as we all
know "one size doesn't fit all."
A special shout out to Tom Collier who spelled it out so that I wouldn't be
afraid to push the envelope with a 1/2" warping line and deploying so much
chain. In the end I hope you can see that the pictures tell the story.
This is a great group of captains and it's great to know that we can count
on one another.
Perhaps we'll sleep tonight!! Thanks again.
Regards,
Jim
M/Y Kokomo
Hatteras 48 LRC
Lying St. George's, Grenada
Jim Felds, mobile
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 12:57 PM Tom Collier <pirate@krogen42.com> wrote:
> Jim
>
> I started with about 7:1, attached the 1/2” line and led it back to the
> stern cleat. (I could never get enough angle from midship.) Them I would
> let out additional anchor rode until I had the angle that I needed. Last, I
> reattached my snubber. Also, as I mentioned before, I learned to keep
> enough extra line at the stern that I could loosen the line to allow the
> bow back into the wind without disturbing the anchor rode or snubber if the
> weather changed. Lastly, watch your chafe protection on your snubber and
> your warping line.
>
> As I think Bob correctly pointed out, every boat is different and you are
> going to have to play around with this to find out what your boat really
> likes.
>
> Not sure that I would be comfortable with 5:1 because you are putting more
> load on the anchor when you do this. However, getting the bow into the
> swells sure makes for a better nights sleep.
>
> Tom Collier
> Pirate - KK42
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:30 AM, Felds, James <jimfelds@focustarcapital.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Bob and Tom,
>
> I tried the midship cleat idea but I can't get the boat headed far enough
> into the swell and keep it there regardless of the adjustments to the chain
> or bridle pendants to make any meaningful improvement.
>
> Kokomo is 40 tons (maybe more as her tanks are full) and the midship
> cleats are actually forward of center so I'm sure that I'm not getting a
> wide enough angle to make this configuration work.
>
> My big question is this:
>
> Assuming a 5:1 rode, once I've deployed the anchor and I feel that she's
> set, how much chain do I deploy before attaching this long 1/2" line with a
> rolling hitch to the rode and cleat? In other words from where the chain
> hits the water how far down the chain does the attached 1/2" line have to
> be connected to get the right angle to direct the hull into the swell?
> Thanks.
>
> Jim
> M/Y Kokomo
>
> Jim Felds, mobile
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020, 12:02 PM Bob McLeran <Bob@mvsanderling.net> wrote:
>
>> You just need enough bridle out that the chain has some slack while the
>> bridle is taught. We always use a bridle unless the prediction is for
>> wind less than 15. I'd suggest bringing in some chain, attach the bridle
>> using whatever method you have available (a rolling hitch or a metal
>> fastener of some sort that fits your chain), run the ends back to your
>> forward or midship cleat, and then letting the chain out. You'll want a
>> bridle for each side of your boat. Never hurts to have a lot of chain
>> out in a swell as it helps dampen the "action" of the boat.
>>
>> <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><>
>> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina
>> MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base
>> DeFever 41 Trawler for sale Melbourne, Florida
>> Blog: http://mvsanderling.net/Blog
>> Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/
>> Site: http://Ourphotos.hopto.org
>> Site: http://SanderlingBlog.hopto.org
>>
>> On 7/10/2020 11:37 AM, Felds, James via Trawlers-and-Trawlering wrote:
>> > Hi All,
>> >
>> > I'm in a terrible swell in St. George's, Grenada. So bad that I think I
>> > will try a bridle from the anchor chain rode to the midship or stern
>> cleat.
>> >
>> > My bow pulpit is 8.5' above the water and I attach the snubber by lying
>> > down on the pulpit and reaching beneath the sprit to the chain and
>> attach
>> > it, then let chain out to the appropriate catenary.
>> >
>> > I've read that the bridle line should be attached to the chain rode
>> about
>> > 30' from the bow. Can anyone confirm this?
>> >
>> > I'm in a trawler so not sure how I would affix the new bridle line to
>> the
>> > chain rode below where the snubber is attached. Do I disconnect the
>> > snubber, bring in another 20' of chain, tie the rolling hitch to the
>> chain,
>> > let it out 20' then reattach the snubber?
>> >
>> > Quick replies would be appreciated. Thanks.
>> >
>> > Jim Felds
>> > M/Y Kokomo
>> > Hatteras 48 LRC
>> > US Phone: 910-352-7119
>> > Caribbean: 590-6600-96453
>> > Jim@Focustarcapital.com
>> > www.LifeonKokomo.com (Blog)
>> > Lying St. George's, Grenada
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Felds, James
Sun, Jul 12, 2020 8:14 PM
Rudy,
At first I cabbaled together two 3/4" line but running it outside the salon
along the walkway holding on to the grab rail with one hand while
manhandling the warping line with the other was a challenge all whilst the
boat was rolling severly.
Then when I did get it to the cleat there was so much resistance it made it
really tough to manage especially when I got to the loop I put in it
piecing the two lines together. Perhaps if I had one length it would have
made it manageable but would have still probably needed some mechanical
assistance. I have a friend here who can advise me on what to try when I
see him next week.
I like Tom's idea of 7:1 before attaching the warping line because of the
strain it places on the anchor. In this case because the anchors been
buried for almost two weeks I pulled up to 5:1 (150') where I connected
the warping line and then let out another 100' including what I needed
after bridling the rode to the ship. So 3/5 is about spot on. Thanks
again!
Jim Felds, mobile
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 3:56 PM Rudy Sechez rudysechez@gmail.com wrote:
Haven't gotten to the other responses yet, but my answer would be to
roller hitch the spring line somewhere around 1/3rd to 3/5th of the amount
of rode out from the bow roller. Circumstances vary, so I wouldn't be
surprised if you needed to experiment.
Using a cleat forward of the boat's pivot point requires a tremendous
amount of load on the spring line, if it will be successful to begin with,
to do the same job if the spring line was attached aft of the boat's pivot
point.
Block and tackle would be helpful to tighten in on the spring line, or
some other form of mechanical advantage if you can lead the spring line
fair.
For a boat your size, James, I'm surprised that you aren't using a spring
line more in the size of 3/4-7/8 inch, though I'd understand if /12 inch
was all you have available to you at this point.
Still waiting patiently for hear of success.
*Rudy & Jill Sechez *
*BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler *
*850-832-7748 *
Annapolis MD Chesapeake
Rudy,
At first I cabbaled together two 3/4" line but running it outside the salon
along the walkway holding on to the grab rail with one hand while
manhandling the warping line with the other was a challenge all whilst the
boat was rolling severly.
Then when I did get it to the cleat there was so much resistance it made it
really tough to manage especially when I got to the loop I put in it
piecing the two lines together. Perhaps if I had one length it would have
made it manageable but would have still probably needed some mechanical
assistance. I have a friend here who can advise me on what to try when I
see him next week.
I like Tom's idea of 7:1 before attaching the warping line because of the
strain it places on the anchor. In this case because the anchors been
buried for almost two weeks I pulled up to 5:1 (150') where I connected
the warping line and then let out another 100' including what I needed
after bridling the rode to the ship. So 3/5 is about spot on. Thanks
again!
Jim Felds, mobile
On Sun, Jul 12, 2020, 3:56 PM Rudy Sechez <rudysechez@gmail.com> wrote:
> Haven't gotten to the other responses yet, but my answer would be to
> roller hitch the spring line somewhere around 1/3rd to 3/5th of the amount
> of rode out from the bow roller. Circumstances vary, so I wouldn't be
> surprised if you needed to experiment.
> Using a cleat forward of the boat's pivot point requires a tremendous
> amount of load on the spring line, if it will be successful to begin with,
> to do the same job if the spring line was attached aft of the boat's pivot
> point.
> Block and tackle would be helpful to tighten in on the spring line, or
> some other form of mechanical advantage if you can lead the spring line
> fair.
> For a boat your size, James, I'm surprised that you aren't using a spring
> line more in the size of 3/4-7/8 inch, though I'd understand if /12 inch
> was all you have available to you at this point.
>
> *Still waiting patiently for hear of success.*
> *Rudy & Jill Sechez *
> *BRINEY BUG-a 34' Sail-Assisted Trawler *
> *850-832-7748 *
> *Annapolis MD Chesapeake*
>
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Rich Gano
Sun, Jul 12, 2020 8:44 PM
A braided snubber can be rolling hitched to the warp and fed through the
same chock as the warp and then fairled to the gypsy on the anchor windlass.
With the anchor rode secured with a snubber and the wildcat brake released,
there's your mechanical advantage for heaving in on the warp, and Bob's your
uncle. Unless of course you have no clearance to fair lead to the bow and
no gypsy. Braided snubbers are be best thing since sliced bread for
assistance in all sorts of mooring situations where temporary strain relief
is required. We used them on destroyers all the time where we called then
rat-tailed stoppers.
Rich Gano
Frolic (Mainship 30 Pilot II)
Panama City, FL
A braided snubber can be rolling hitched to the warp and fed through the
same chock as the warp and then fairled to the gypsy on the anchor windlass.
With the anchor rode secured with a snubber and the wildcat brake released,
there's your mechanical advantage for heaving in on the warp, and Bob's your
uncle. Unless of course you have no clearance to fair lead to the bow and
no gypsy. Braided snubbers are be best thing since sliced bread for
assistance in all sorts of mooring situations where temporary strain relief
is required. We used them on destroyers all the time where we called then
rat-tailed stoppers.
Rich Gano
Frolic (Mainship 30 Pilot II)
Panama City, FL
