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Motor/Sailing Vessels, (DynaRig MotorSailer)

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brian eiland
Thu, Mar 15, 2007 10:39 PM

MotorSailers, MotorSailors.....

They're just not a popular subject. Traditional motorsailers have always been
such a compromise, they have fallen into disfavor in the market, and in the
boating literature. The term has even had negative connotations for several
decades now. Should not today's boats be faster and better with new
materials,
light marine diesels, and better shapes? Should not this be the sensible
alternative, the common sense move up from the beloved family sailboat? When
trawler options are discussed, suggestions of boredom arise. A lifetime of
sail would be discarded, and what happens when the motor quits? Well,
hopefully it won't quit, but one can always sail home in a boat with sails on
it. For truly long-range cruising and/or remote exploration, the motorsailer
can outshine both the sailing aux and the trawler types.

We need to modernize the motorsailer. The multihull plan-form holds great
promises to improve this breed. The long slender hulls of the catamaran type
vessel have proven themselves to be real efficient to push under both power &
sail. And not only are they efficient, but they can be pushed beyond the
traditional hull-length/speed limitations. Just what the modern motorsailer
needs, a far less compromising increase in both their sail & power
performance, that allows for long-range, and remote area capabilities. In
light airs, running one engine often is all that is needed to generate an
apparent wind that allows the sails work harder, and the combination can
provide much better results than either motoring or sailing alone,....sailing
synergy/harmony, the motor taking over in the lulls and the rig taking over
in
the puffs

If the subject interest you, you might have a look at my newly designed
DynaRig MotorSailer
http://www.runningtideyachts.com/dynarig/

Brian Eiland

beiland@usa.net
www.RunningTideYachts.com
distinctive expedition yachts

MotorSailers, MotorSailors..... They're just not a popular subject. Traditional motorsailers have always been such a compromise, they have fallen into disfavor in the market, and in the boating literature. The term has even had negative connotations for several decades now. Should not today's boats be faster and better with new materials, light marine diesels, and better shapes? Should not this be the sensible alternative, the common sense move up from the beloved family sailboat? When trawler options are discussed, suggestions of boredom arise. A lifetime of sail would be discarded, and what happens when the motor quits? Well, hopefully it won't quit, but one can always sail home in a boat with sails on it. For truly long-range cruising and/or remote exploration, the motorsailer can outshine both the sailing aux and the trawler types. We need to modernize the motorsailer. The multihull plan-form holds great promises to improve this breed. The long slender hulls of the catamaran type vessel have proven themselves to be real efficient to push under both power & sail. And not only are they efficient, but they can be pushed beyond the traditional hull-length/speed limitations. Just what the modern motorsailer needs, a far less compromising increase in both their sail & power performance, that allows for long-range, and remote area capabilities. In light airs, running one engine often is all that is needed to generate an apparent wind that allows the sails work harder, and the combination can provide much better results than either motoring or sailing alone,....sailing synergy/harmony, the motor taking over in the lulls and the rig taking over in the puffs If the subject interest you, you might have a look at my newly designed DynaRig MotorSailer <http://www.runningtideyachts.com/dynarig/> Brian Eiland beiland@usa.net www.RunningTideYachts.com distinctive expedition yachts
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Scott E. Bulger
Thu, Mar 15, 2007 11:08 PM

Catamarans suck

They are ugly

They don't fit in slips well

They pound in beam seas

They can't be driven by a single engine efficiently

They have terrible sleeping accommodations

Every single one I've been on has had more knee knockers and odd spaces so
the entire thing felt unusable
(can you do the testicular tuck when using the head?)

They are unconventional, so the resale marketplace is automatically limited
to less potential buyers

Yes, the do some thing well, better than a monohull, but all in all the
package is completely uninteresting to me and almost everyone I talk to.

If we want to talk about motorsailers, the Island Packet and Nordhavn
platforms look very interesting.  I was on the Island Packet (www.ipy.com)
at the winter Seattle show and it's beautiful.  Now, I'm not sure of the
economics of paying for sales and a motor, but there would appear to be some
advantages.

Sorry if I seem distraught.  Part of it is brought on by the shameless
advertising for multihull forms in the guise of a PUP discussion.

At least this is how I see it.

Scott Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA

Catamarans suck They are ugly They don't fit in slips well They pound in beam seas They can't be driven by a single engine efficiently They have terrible sleeping accommodations Every single one I've been on has had more knee knockers and odd spaces so the entire thing felt unusable (can you do the testicular tuck when using the head?) They are unconventional, so the resale marketplace is automatically limited to less potential buyers Yes, the do some thing well, better than a monohull, but all in all the package is completely uninteresting to me and almost everyone I talk to. If we want to talk about motorsailers, the Island Packet and Nordhavn platforms look very interesting. I was on the Island Packet (www.ipy.com) at the winter Seattle show and it's beautiful. Now, I'm not sure of the economics of paying for sales and a motor, but there would appear to be some advantages. Sorry if I seem distraught. Part of it is brought on by the shameless advertising for multihull forms in the guise of a PUP discussion. At least this is how I see it. Scott Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA
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bob england
Fri, Mar 16, 2007 12:23 AM

Here, here. Cheers to Scott. My thoughts to a T. They won't even let me post
on the catamoron sight. I do like the modern motorsailor concept in a
monohull.

From: "Scott E. Bulger" scottebulger@comcast.net
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Subject: Re: [PUP] Motor/Sailing Vessels, (DynaRig MotorSailer)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:08:07 -0700

Catamarans suck

They are ugly

They don't fit in slips well

They pound in beam seas

They can't be driven by a single engine efficiently

They have terrible sleeping accommodations

Every single one I've been on has had more knee knockers and odd spaces so
the entire thing felt unusable
(can you do the testicular tuck when using the head?)

They are unconventional, so the resale marketplace is automatically limited
to less potential buyers

Yes, the do some thing well, better than a monohull, but all in all the
package is completely uninteresting to me and almost everyone I talk to.

If we want to talk about motorsailers, the Island Packet and Nordhavn
platforms look very interesting.  I was on the Island Packet (www.ipy.com)
at the winter Seattle show and it's beautiful.  Now, I'm not sure of the
economics of paying for sales and a motor, but there would appear to be some
advantages.

Sorry if I seem distraught.  Part of it is brought on by the shameless
advertising for multihull forms in the guise of a PUP discussion.

At least this is how I see it.

Scott Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA


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Here, here. Cheers to Scott. My thoughts to a T. They won't even let me post on the catamoron sight. I do like the modern motorsailor concept in a monohull. From: "Scott E. Bulger" <scottebulger@comcast.net> Reply-To: scottebulger@comcast.net, Passagemaking Under Power List<passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> To: "'Passagemaking Under Power List'"<passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Motor/Sailing Vessels, (DynaRig MotorSailer) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:08:07 -0700 Catamarans suck They are ugly They don't fit in slips well They pound in beam seas They can't be driven by a single engine efficiently They have terrible sleeping accommodations Every single one I've been on has had more knee knockers and odd spaces so the entire thing felt unusable (can you do the testicular tuck when using the head?) They are unconventional, so the resale marketplace is automatically limited to less potential buyers Yes, the do some thing well, better than a monohull, but all in all the package is completely uninteresting to me and almost everyone I talk to. If we want to talk about motorsailers, the Island Packet and Nordhavn platforms look very interesting. I was on the Island Packet (www.ipy.com) at the winter Seattle show and it's beautiful. Now, I'm not sure of the economics of paying for sales and a motor, but there would appear to be some advantages. Sorry if I seem distraught. Part of it is brought on by the shameless advertising for multihull forms in the guise of a PUP discussion. At least this is how I see it. Scott Bulger, Alanui, N40II, Seattle WA _______________________________________________ Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. To be removed from the PUP list send an email with the subject "unsubscribe" (no quotes) to the link below: mailto:passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List _________________________________________________________________ With tax season right around the corner, make sure to follow these few simple tips. http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Taxes/PreparationTips/PreparationTips.aspx?icid=HMFebtagline
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Ron Rogers
Fri, Mar 16, 2007 1:48 AM

However, catamarans are extremely stable in one position.  {;*))

Ron Rogers

However, catamarans are extremely stable in one position. {;*)) Ron Rogers
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bob england
Fri, Mar 16, 2007 2:06 AM

Yep, USD.  I have NEVER felt the need to install a hatch on the underside of
a boat. That's like the sticker on the transfer case of a jeep that say's
"if you're reading this, turn me over" to funny. And people still get
suckered into buying them. Jeeps and cats. However, the Jeep has a sticker
on the dash that says it will turn over in certain circumstances, I wonder
how many boats you could sell with that warning sticker.

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Subject: Re: [PUP] Motor/Sailing Vessels, (DynaRig MotorSailer)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:48:31 -0400

However, catamarans are extremely stable in one position.  {;*))

Ron Rogers


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Yep, USD. I have NEVER felt the need to install a hatch on the underside of a boat. That's like the sticker on the transfer case of a jeep that say's "if you're reading this, turn me over" to funny. And people still get suckered into buying them. Jeeps and cats. However, the Jeep has a sticker on the dash that says it will turn over in certain circumstances, I wonder how many boats you could sell with that warning sticker. From: "Ron Rogers" <rcrogers6@kennett.net> Reply-To: Passagemaking Under Power List<passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> To: <scottebulger@comcast.net>, "Passagemaking Under Power List"<passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com> Subject: Re: [PUP] Motor/Sailing Vessels, (DynaRig MotorSailer) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:48:31 -0400 However, catamarans are extremely stable in one position. {;*)) Ron Rogers _______________________________________________ Passagemaking Under Power and PUP are trademarks of Water World Productions, formerly known as Trawler World Productions. To be removed from the PUP list send an email with the subject "unsubscribe" (no quotes) to the link below: mailto:passagemaking-under-power@lists.samurai.com Passagemaking-Under-Power Mailing List _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/