Saw the plot in the June 12 post. Pretty much limited by the 3816 up to 10K Seconds. Would be interesting to see a long plot of the two 5065 against each other! Cheers, Corby

		Attila Kinali

On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:19:58 -0700 <cdelect@juno.com> wrote: > Would be interesting to see a long plot of the two 5065 against each > other! I had a look at Luciano's data and it's probably safe to say, that the instability of the super-5065 would be the limit. The unmodified 5065 is incredibly stable (once you remove drift). Attached are the two phase plots, both with quadratic drift removed. The unmodified 5065A has a kind of weird ~18day undulation. I would say it's an environmental effect, but the two cycles are too similar, so I do not know what to think of it. The super-5065 (5065B) has quite a few bigger frequency jumps, with pretty stable phases in-between. My guess here would be that there are no environmental effects and it is limited by instabilities in the frequency discriminator electronics, ie offsets that show (close to) discrete jumps. or that the lamp brightness changes. Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson

		Attila Kinali

Hi I’d say both have a “something” with a period of roughly 18 to 20 hours in their data runs. Bob > On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:54 AM, Attila Kinali <attila@kinali.ch> wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:19:58 -0700 > <cdelect@juno.com> wrote: > >> Would be interesting to see a long plot of the two 5065 against each >> other! > > I had a look at Luciano's data and it's probably safe to say, that > the instability of the super-5065 would be the limit. The unmodified > 5065 is incredibly stable (once you remove drift). > > Attached are the two phase plots, both with quadratic drift removed. > The unmodified 5065A has a kind of weird ~18day undulation. I would > say it's an environmental effect, but the two cycles are too similar, > so I do not know what to think of it. > > The super-5065 (5065B) has quite a few bigger frequency jumps, with > pretty stable phases in-between. My guess here would be that there > are no environmental effects and it is limited by instabilities in > the frequency discriminator electronics, ie offsets that show (close to) > discrete jumps. or that the lamp brightness changes. > > Attila Kinali > > -- > It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All > the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no > use without that foundation. > -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson > <HP5065Anr2 vs Z3816A 30days.png><HP5065Bnr1 vs Z3816A 30days.png>_______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there.

		Attila Kinali

Hi, All I have seen so far is an ADEV plot, and that is not a good tool to estimate such systematics in. I would like to see the phase & frequency data, it would probably be better for this type of diagnostics. Do we have the raw measurements in a readable format? Cheers, Magnus On 06/14/2018 03:06 PM, Bob kb8tq wrote: > Hi > > I’d say both have a “something” with a period of roughly 18 to 20 hours in their > data runs. > > Bob > >> On Jun 14, 2018, at 4:54 AM, Attila Kinali <attila@kinali.ch> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:19:58 -0700 >> <cdelect@juno.com> wrote: >> >>> Would be interesting to see a long plot of the two 5065 against each >>> other! >> >> I had a look at Luciano's data and it's probably safe to say, that >> the instability of the super-5065 would be the limit. The unmodified >> 5065 is incredibly stable (once you remove drift). >> >> Attached are the two phase plots, both with quadratic drift removed. >> The unmodified 5065A has a kind of weird ~18day undulation. I would >> say it's an environmental effect, but the two cycles are too similar, >> so I do not know what to think of it. >> >> The super-5065 (5065B) has quite a few bigger frequency jumps, with >> pretty stable phases in-between. My guess here would be that there >> are no environmental effects and it is limited by instabilities in >> the frequency discriminator electronics, ie offsets that show (close to) >> discrete jumps. or that the lamp brightness changes. >> >> Attila Kinali >> >> -- >> It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All >> the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no >> use without that foundation. >> -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson >> <HP5065Anr2 vs Z3816A 30days.png><HP5065Bnr1 vs Z3816A 30days.png>_______________________________________________ >> time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com >> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts >> and follow the instructions there. > > _______________________________________________ > time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts > and follow the instructions there. >

		Attila Kinali

On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 15:14:55 +0200 Magnus Danielson <magnus@rubidium.dyndns.org> wrote: > Do we have the raw measurements in a readable format? Yes, you can find them at http://time.kinali.ch/phase_data/luciano/ Attila Kinali -- It is upon moral qualities that a society is ultimately founded. All the prosperity and technological sophistication in the world is of no use without that foundation. -- Miss Matheson, The Diamond Age, Neil Stephenson