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Re: Made a bamboo box w/ hinged lid out of cutting boards

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jon
Tue, Apr 12, 2022 5:27 PM

I reviewed the Carbide3D discussion.  It is very lengthy and seems
focused on Carbide Create (I think) with no mention of OpenSCAD that I
could find.  Why not just design these parts with parameters in
OpenSCAD, export them as STL files, and then create them on a CNC
machine using MeshCAM?  This approach (which I use) seems much more
straightforward.

Jon

On 4/12/2022 11:05 AM, William F. Adams via Discuss wrote:

ForwardedMessage.eml

Subject:
[OpenSCAD] Made a bamboo box w/ hinged lid out of cutting boards
From:
"William F. Adams" willadams@aol.com
Date:
4/12/2022, 11:05 AM

To:
"discuss@lists.openscad.org" discuss@lists.openscad.org

The BlockSCAD project is here:

https://www.blockscad3d.com/community/projects/1385418

OpenSCAD file is here:

https://github.com/WillAdams/Design_Into_3D/blob/master/blindmiter_boxjoint/Design%20into%203D_%20Box%20with%20Lid.scad

Discussion at:

https://community.carbide3d.com/t/as-funny-as-a-3-dollar-box/43013

and some images:

https://community.carbide3d.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/d/ad2484e9284ab447e481409d8a1810a149e0e130.jpeg

https://community.carbide3d.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/1/a1ca5b442990afc89a1d6aa27229e7dc3661328c.jpeg

https://community.carbide3d.com/uploads/default/original/3X/2/d/2db5ea01286bcf1172d3c61fc808bedec7037a84.jpeg

Current work-flow is:

 - design in BlockSCAD
 - export to OpenSCAD where the Customizer is wired up, and the
projection() command is added
 - use OpenSCAD's customizer to adjust parameters and select features
 - export DXF/SVG to import into Carbide Create (other Computer Aided
Manufacturing (CAM) programs would work as well) to create toolpaths
 - cut using a CNC
 - any necessary post-processing (the hinged lid has a jig as part of
the design to allow drilling holes for the hinges)
 - glue-up

The awkward aspect is the layout of the various cutting
depths/toolpaths --- they have to be represented as separate areas of
the DXF/SVG, then composited together manually, then toolpaths
assigned --- is there a 3D aspect to DXFs which could be used for
this? Could OpenSCAD be extended to allow exporting thus if so?

Or, of course, it would be awesome to be able to just write out G-Code
in a more direct fashion, w/o the need for later post-processing.

William

I reviewed the Carbide3D discussion.  It is very lengthy and seems focused on Carbide Create (I think) with no mention of OpenSCAD that I could find.  Why not just design these parts with parameters in OpenSCAD, export them as STL files, and then create them on a CNC machine using MeshCAM?  This approach (which I use) seems much more straightforward. Jon On 4/12/2022 11:05 AM, William F. Adams via Discuss wrote: > ForwardedMessage.eml > > Subject: > [OpenSCAD] Made a bamboo box w/ hinged lid out of cutting boards > From: > "William F. Adams" <willadams@aol.com> > Date: > 4/12/2022, 11:05 AM > > To: > "discuss@lists.openscad.org" <discuss@lists.openscad.org> > > > The BlockSCAD project is here: > > https://www.blockscad3d.com/community/projects/1385418 > > OpenSCAD file is here: > > https://github.com/WillAdams/Design_Into_3D/blob/master/blindmiter_boxjoint/Design%20into%203D_%20Box%20with%20Lid.scad > > Discussion at: > > https://community.carbide3d.com/t/as-funny-as-a-3-dollar-box/43013 > > and some images: > > https://community.carbide3d.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/d/ad2484e9284ab447e481409d8a1810a149e0e130.jpeg > > https://community.carbide3d.com/uploads/default/original/3X/a/1/a1ca5b442990afc89a1d6aa27229e7dc3661328c.jpeg > > https://community.carbide3d.com/uploads/default/original/3X/2/d/2db5ea01286bcf1172d3c61fc808bedec7037a84.jpeg > > Current work-flow is: > >  - design in BlockSCAD >  - export to OpenSCAD where the Customizer is wired up, and the > projection() command is added >  - use OpenSCAD's customizer to adjust parameters and select features >  - export DXF/SVG to import into Carbide Create (other Computer Aided > Manufacturing (CAM) programs would work as well) to create toolpaths >  - cut using a CNC >  - any necessary post-processing (the hinged lid has a jig as part of > the design to allow drilling holes for the hinges) >  - glue-up > > The awkward aspect is the layout of the various cutting > depths/toolpaths --- they have to be represented as separate areas of > the DXF/SVG, then composited together manually, then toolpaths > assigned --- is there a 3D aspect to DXFs which could be used for > this? Could OpenSCAD be extended to allow exporting thus if so? > > Or, of course, it would be awesome to be able to just write out G-Code > in a more direct fashion, w/o the need for later post-processing. > > William
WF
William F. Adams
Tue, Apr 12, 2022 7:24 PM

jon wrote:

I reviewed the Carbide3D discussion.  It is very lengthy and seems focused >on Carbide Create (I think) with no mention of OpenSCAD that I could find.  

Why not just design these parts with parameters in OpenSCAD, export them >as STL files, and then create them on a CNC machine using MeshCAM?  >This approach (which I use) seems much more straightforward.

To my knowledge, MeshCAM doesn't support cutting out this geometry using V endmills.

I'm not aware of any CAM program which will generate a reasonably efficient toolpath using arbitrary tooling (V endmills, square, and roundover bits) which fits together w/ the accuracy necessary for joinery from an STL.

If someone knows of a tool which would be better suited to designing this sort of joinery and making files for cutting it out, I'd be glad to know of it.

William

jon wrote: >I reviewed the Carbide3D discussion.  It is very lengthy and seems focused >on Carbide Create (I think) with no mention of OpenSCAD that I could find.   See: https://community.carbide3d.com/t/a-different-sort-of-box/36882 and  https://willadams.gitbook.io/design-into-3d/blind-miter-box-joints >Why not just design these parts with parameters in OpenSCAD, export them >as STL files, and then create them on a CNC machine using MeshCAM?  >This approach (which I use) seems much more straightforward. To my knowledge, MeshCAM doesn't support cutting out this geometry using V endmills. I'm not aware of any CAM program which will generate a reasonably efficient toolpath using arbitrary tooling (V endmills, square, and roundover bits) which fits together w/ the accuracy necessary for joinery from an STL. If someone knows of a tool which would be better suited to designing this sort of joinery and making files for cutting it out, I'd be glad to know of it. William
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jon
Tue, Apr 12, 2022 7:45 PM

William:

Thanks for the response!

You are correct that MeshCAM only supports "tapered end mills" and
"tapered ball ends".  As to "efficiency", I would never accuse MeshCAM
of that.  But I like that I can take STL files and have them milled out
at all.

Jon

On 4/12/2022 3:24 PM, William F. Adams wrote:

jon wrote:

I reviewed the Carbide3D discussion.  It is very lengthy and seems

focused

on Carbide Create (I think) with no mention of OpenSCAD that I could

Why not just design these parts with parameters in OpenSCAD, export them
as STL files, and then create them on a CNC machine using MeshCAM?
This approach (which I use) seems much more straightforward.

To my knowledge, MeshCAM doesn't support cutting out this geometry
using V endmills.

I'm not aware of any CAM program which will generate a reasonably
efficient toolpath using arbitrary tooling (V endmills, square, and
roundover bits) which fits together w/ the accuracy necessary for
joinery from an STL.

If someone knows of a tool which would be better suited to designing
this sort of joinery and making files for cutting it out, I'd be glad
to know of it.

William

William: Thanks for the response! You are correct that MeshCAM only supports "tapered end mills" and "tapered ball ends".  As to "efficiency", I would never accuse MeshCAM of that.  But I like that I can take STL files and have them milled out at all. Jon On 4/12/2022 3:24 PM, William F. Adams wrote: > jon wrote: > > >I reviewed the Carbide3D discussion.  It is very lengthy and seems > focused > >on Carbide Create (I think) with no mention of OpenSCAD that I could > find. > > See: > > https://community.carbide3d.com/t/a-different-sort-of-box/36882 > > and > > https://willadams.gitbook.io/design-into-3d/blind-miter-box-joints > > > >Why not just design these parts with parameters in OpenSCAD, export them > >as STL files, and then create them on a CNC machine using MeshCAM? > >This approach (which I use) seems much more straightforward. > > To my knowledge, MeshCAM doesn't support cutting out this geometry > using V endmills. > > I'm not aware of any CAM program which will generate a reasonably > efficient toolpath using arbitrary tooling (V endmills, square, and > roundover bits) which fits together w/ the accuracy necessary for > joinery from an STL. > > If someone knows of a tool which would be better suited to designing > this sort of joinery and making files for cutting it out, I'd be glad > to know of it. > > William >