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Re: [PUP] International protocols, Towing, Salvage

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Wray West
Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:28 PM

The subject of salvage and towing has been discussed quite a bit on the T&T
list, check the archives for lots of input.  I know of one incident where
the Towboat US took the boat in tow and then told the owner he would be
making a salvage claim when he got to the dock.  The insurance company took
over and finally settled to save all the legal fees.

My rule is I do not accept the towline from the towboat until I have
verified the rate for the tow and that it is not a salvage tow.  If it is
such an emergency that I don't have time for that, then that will likely be
evidence that the tow was, indeed salvage.  If the towboat refuses to tow
me based on a non-salvage rate and I am not in immediate or imminent
danger, then I would contact the insurance carrier prior to accepting the tow.

Tows in the open ocean can also be arranged and negotiated.  But if you
don't have time to negotiate or are not in a position to negotiate, my
understanding is it is indeed salvage.

I have only had to do this arrange a tow once, so far.  My power train
failed and I had dropped anchor in a high current river.  The towboat
operator chuckled, but then said, yea I guess there are some money grubbers
out there that would have tried to make a salvage claim on the tow.  In
this case my agreement was verbal and I was a bit uncomfortable with that,
but using written documents seems unlikely to be passing back and forth
between boats.  I had the conversation on the VHF and would have to hope
the CG caught it on tape if there was a disagreement, later.

What procedure's have our more experienced listee's put together?

-Wray

Wray West
M/V Anjumal (Cape Horn 65)
Portsmouth, NH
www.anjumal.com

The subject of salvage and towing has been discussed quite a bit on the T&T list, check the archives for lots of input. I know of one incident where the Towboat US took the boat in tow and then told the owner he would be making a salvage claim when he got to the dock. The insurance company took over and finally settled to save all the legal fees. My rule is I do not accept the towline from the towboat until I have verified the rate for the tow and that it is not a salvage tow. If it is such an emergency that I don't have time for that, then that will likely be evidence that the tow was, indeed salvage. If the towboat refuses to tow me based on a non-salvage rate and I am not in immediate or imminent danger, then I would contact the insurance carrier prior to accepting the tow. Tows in the open ocean can also be arranged and negotiated. But if you don't have time to negotiate or are not in a position to negotiate, my understanding is it is indeed salvage. I have only had to do this arrange a tow once, so far. My power train failed and I had dropped anchor in a high current river. The towboat operator chuckled, but then said, yea I guess there are some money grubbers out there that would have tried to make a salvage claim on the tow. In this case my agreement was verbal and I was a bit uncomfortable with that, but using written documents seems unlikely to be passing back and forth between boats. I had the conversation on the VHF and would have to hope the CG caught it on tape if there was a disagreement, later. What procedure's have our more experienced listee's put together? -Wray Wray West M/V Anjumal (Cape Horn 65) Portsmouth, NH www.anjumal.com
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Keith
Mon, Feb 14, 2005 2:49 PM

Boat/U.S. has a standard salvage contract form they suggest having signed by
both parties before being helped.
http://www.boatus.com/towing/guide/salvage/contract.asp Their web site also
has a lot of good information about towing vs. salvage, etc. I carry a copy
of this contract on my boat at all times... but hope I never need to use it!
There be pirates everywhere, some with towlines.

Keith
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Would a fly without wings be called a walk?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wray West" wraywest@anjumal.com

My rule is I do not accept the towline from the towboat until I have
verified the rate for the tow and that it is not a salvage tow.  If it is
such an emergency that I don't have time for that, then that will likely
be evidence that the tow was, indeed salvage.  If the towboat refuses to
tow me based on a non-salvage rate and I am not in immediate or imminent
danger, then I would contact the insurance carrier prior to accepting the
tow.

Boat/U.S. has a standard salvage contract form they suggest having signed by both parties before being helped. http://www.boatus.com/towing/guide/salvage/contract.asp Their web site also has a lot of good information about towing vs. salvage, etc. I carry a copy of this contract on my boat at all times... but hope I never need to use it! There be pirates everywhere, some with towlines. Keith __ Would a fly without wings be called a walk? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wray West" <wraywest@anjumal.com> > > My rule is I do not accept the towline from the towboat until I have > verified the rate for the tow and that it is not a salvage tow. If it is > such an emergency that I don't have time for that, then that will likely > be evidence that the tow was, indeed salvage. If the towboat refuses to > tow me based on a non-salvage rate and I am not in immediate or imminent > danger, then I would contact the insurance carrier prior to accepting the > tow.
RR
Ron Rogers
Mon, Feb 14, 2005 3:45 PM

In case I've been unclear, I want every body to understand that the towboat
which assisted me was a big steel, commercial towboat which normally pushes
a 400' foot barge. Sometimes, you just know that you have met good people.

This does not suggest that one should not take prudent steps, but my
situation was different. I had met these seamen and lady on the dock a few
hours before. The folks at Midway Marina appeared to know them.

Again, my towboat was a big, honk'in towboat.

Ron Rogers

In case I've been unclear, I want every body to understand that the towboat which assisted me was a big steel, commercial towboat which normally pushes a 400' foot barge. Sometimes, you just know that you have met good people. This does not suggest that one should not take prudent steps, but my situation was different. I had met these seamen and lady on the dock a few hours before. The folks at Midway Marina appeared to know them. Again, my towboat was a big, honk'in towboat. Ron Rogers