Yes, I’m well aware that the bounty I had in mind ($200) would probably only fill up a gas tank that was only half full to begin with and I see a bounty as really shamelessly begging for help. As soon as I figure out how to get bountysource to send me an account confirmation (rather than logging on with facebook), I’ll post the bounty. That coupled with Torsten’s generous offer to contribute $50 of OpenSCAD funds means not only will the kind soul who takes pity on me (and the other mac users who are suffering from this malady) get half a tank of gas, they’ll also be able to buy a coffee to drink while their tank is being filled. SUCH A DEAL! :)

On 10/7/2022 4:09 PM, Hugo Jackson wrote:

Perversely, I'm more incentivized by shameless begging than by an offer
of money.  If it's shameless begging, I want to do it because it will
help somebody out.  If there's money involved, I start to think about
whether that amount of money is worth that amount of time.

And yes, I should meld the two thought processes, or just ignore the money.

(But first I need to free up more time...)

On 08.10.22 01:16, Jordan Brown wrote:

If you don't want to cash-out, you can do as I did: Toss the
bounties collected into the OpenSCAD bucket for redistribution.

ciao,
Torsten.

I don't believe bounties were ever part of the old Forum.
They are comparatively new (to the project timeline).
Our experience is they are not particularly effective.

But you never know.

The Git/Bountysource integration Tool got scrambled in Aug 2021. (nobody noticed)
That didn't prevent bounties, just 'advertising' in Git issues.

That's fixed now.

That adds a link to the OP of issues. 'Post a bounty on it!'

That takes you to Bourtysource & the issue, you can post a bounty.

You will need to sign-in.
As you are probably a GitHub user, use the Git authentication (see below).

The UI is not that good, I'm happy to guide if needed, email me direct.

You can put a time limit* on a bounty (1,3,6 months - with $minimums),
you get your bounty back*, but I don’t think that would be a motivator here.

*I've never tied either limits or this path -> you can get it back via email otherwise.

(or failed/unclaimed bounties can be directed to the OpenSCAD pool)

To see a list of issues with posted bounties, searching in Git https://github.com/openscad/openscad/labels/Bounty  is best.

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There is research that shows that when you offer money for something it
shifts people's perception of the action from being friendly help, or
volunteering into a financial mindset, where they evaluate whether they are
being fairly paid.  You're usually better off asking your friend to help
you move a couch gratis than offering to pay your friend to move your
couch.  It sounds like Jordan's reaction is following the findings of the
research pretty well.  It's not clear that offering money and hoping people
ignore it will prevent people from shifting mindset.

On Fri, Oct 7, 2022 at 7:26 PM Torsten Paul Torsten.Paul@gmx.de wrote:

Thanks for the comments. As for bountysource, I literally cannot get a confirmation from bounty source so god knows how long it’ll get them to figure that out and fix it. I tried it as a github user, but no luck.

i’m interested in the different attitudes towards bounty. For my part, having done lots of freeware coding in the past I ultimately reached my limit of the expectation of users that I should happily customize software for no other reason than “that’s the spirit of open-source”. So from my perspective, my rationale for offering a bounty was trying to say, “I know what I’m offering is a pittance, but it’s an acknowledgement of my recognition that your consideration of this issue i’m having is driving me and other users crazy so I would at least like to thank you with a token of thanks”.

Do you think a more effective way would be to simply post on the github thread asking for a quote on fixing the problem? I have no idea what it would cost, but i’d certainly entertain any bid that would solve it unless it’s a case of “if you have to ask how much then you can’t afford it”.

With the recent BS problem I had pretty prompt responses to the zendesk email address on their footer.

I have no experience with that approach. However, see here https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3638#issuecomment-1261565028 , subtle mention of 'maybe even five figures' hasn't seemed to get any attention.

The problem is the mix of libraries etc in OpenSCAD is very esoteric, not a skill set that many would have.

From: Hugo Jackson
Sent: Sat, 8 Oct 2022 15:45
To: OpenSCAD general discussion
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: Github Issue 4059 and whatever happened to bounties?

Thanks for the comments. As for bountysource, I literally cannot get a confirmation from bounty source so god knows how long it’ll get them to figure that out and fix it. I tried it as a github user, but no luck.

i’m interested in the different attitudes towards bounty. For my part, having done lots of freeware coding in the past I ultimately reached my limit of the expectation of users that I should happily customize software for no other reason than “that’s the spirit of open-source”. So from my perspective, my rationale for offering a bounty was trying to say, “I know what I’m offering is a pittance, but it’s an acknowledgement of my recognition that your consideration of this issue i’m having is driving me and other users crazy so I would at least like to thank you with a token of thanks”.

Do you think a more effective way would be to simply post on the github thread asking for a quote on fixing the problem? I have no idea what it would cost, but i’d certainly entertain any bid that would solve it unless it’s a case of “if you have to ask how much then you can’t afford it”.

On Oct 7, 2022, at 5:36 PM, Michael Marx  wrote:

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