That was a very interesting teardown of the 732B on eevblog.  The one thing that this answered for me was if Fluke was using their "Reference Amplifier" in all of the 732B production and Fluke did.

If you look at a paper by David Deaver called "Predictability of Solid State References" which he wrote, and you can download from the Fluke website http://us.fluke.com/. you will see on page three of the paper that he talks about the reference drifts of a number of 732Bs that were checked over a period of time.  Deaver talks about Motorola References and Linear Technology References and that the Motorola's drift upwards while the Linear Tech's drift downwards over time.  Also look at Fig. 10.  I was assuming (wrongly of course as I see now) that Fluke had switched from the "Reference Amplifier" to the LTZ1000 in the production of the 732B.  Now I see that it is just what company made the "Reference Amplifiers" for Fluke.  Of course the 4 legged device is a "Reference Amplifier" that they have used for a least 25 years or more as the voltage reference in a lot of their instruments.

I have never seen a schematic of the super secret "oven assembly" but you can probably bet that it looks a lot like the 732A but with a lot more "black magic" built into it.  I don't think that Fluke would ever expect someone to fix this beyond the unit replacement level as I am sure that this would require factory precedures far beyond anything that we could muster in the field.  Part of the black magic is adjusting the collector current of the reference amplifier to obtain a zero TC around a very limited range of operating temperatures.  The digital adjustments also add something inside the oven assembly, probably a DAC, and it would be interesting what they are doing there, so a schematic would be interesting to see.

Anyway I will quit rambling.  So many things to do, so little time.

Joe: That was a very interesting teardown of the 732B on eevblog. The one thing that this answered for me was if Fluke was using their "Reference Amplifier" in all of the 732B production and Fluke did. If you look at a paper by David Deaver called "Predictability of Solid State References" which he wrote, and you can download from the Fluke website http://us.fluke.com/. you will see on page three of the paper that he talks about the reference drifts of a number of 732Bs that were checked over a period of time. Deaver talks about Motorola References and Linear Technology References and that the Motorola's drift upwards while the Linear Tech's drift downwards over time. Also look at Fig. 10. I was assuming (wrongly of course as I see now) that Fluke had switched from the "Reference Amplifier" to the LTZ1000 in the production of the 732B. Now I see that it is just what company made the "Reference Amplifiers" for Fluke. Of course the 4 legged device is a "Reference Amplifier" that they have used for a least 25 years or more as the voltage reference in a lot of their instruments. I have never seen a schematic of the super secret "oven assembly" but you can probably bet that it looks a lot like the 732A but with a lot more "black magic" built into it. I don't think that Fluke would ever expect someone to fix this beyond the unit replacement level as I am sure that this would require factory precedures far beyond anything that we could muster in the field. Part of the black magic is adjusting the collector current of the reference amplifier to obtain a zero TC around a very limited range of operating temperatures. The digital adjustments also add something inside the oven assembly, probably a DAC, and it would be interesting what they are doing there, so a schematic would be interesting to see. Anyway I will quit rambling. So many things to do, so little time. Bill

 That was a very interesting teardown of the 732B on eevblog.  The one

 If you look at a paper by David Deaver called "Predictability of Solid

 I have never seen a schematic of the super secret "oven assembly" but

 Anyway I will quit rambling.  So many things to do, so little time.

Yes, it was very cool to see the insides of the 732B. The older standards apparently ran at room temperature. The oven assembly looks like quite a bit of engineering went into it. The link that was provided to a Chinese site does have some interesting details about the entire Fluke reference series. However, using Google Translate, some of the images don't download. That makes it hard to follow the discussion, on top of the imperfect English translation. I had just read the Deaver paper a few days ago. It is interesting that the older 732A drift rates are clustered closer together than the 732B. You would think that with most of the circuit in an oven, the 732B would not show as much spread. Joe Gray W5JG On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Bill Gold <wpgold3637@att.net> wrote: > Joe: > > That was a very interesting teardown of the 732B on eevblog. The one > thing that this answered for me was if Fluke was using their "Reference > Amplifier" in all of the 732B production and Fluke did. > > If you look at a paper by David Deaver called "Predictability of Solid > State References" which he wrote, and you can download from the Fluke > website http://us.fluke.com/. you will see on page three of the paper > that he talks about the reference drifts of a number of 732Bs that were > checked over a period of time. Deaver talks about Motorola References and > Linear Technology References and that the Motorola's drift upwards while > the Linear Tech's drift downwards over time. Also look at Fig. 10. I was > assuming (wrongly of course as I see now) that Fluke had switched from the > "Reference Amplifier" to the LTZ1000 in the production of the 732B. Now I > see that it is just what company made the "Reference Amplifiers" for Fluke. > Of course the 4 legged device is a "Reference Amplifier" that they have > used for a least 25 years or more as the voltage reference in a lot of > their instruments. > > I have never seen a schematic of the super secret "oven assembly" but > you can probably bet that it looks a lot like the 732A but with a lot more > "black magic" built into it. I don't think that Fluke would ever expect > someone to fix this beyond the unit replacement level as I am sure that > this would require factory precedures far beyond anything that we could > muster in the field. Part of the black magic is adjusting the collector > current of the reference amplifier to obtain a zero TC around a very > limited range of operating temperatures. The digital adjustments also add > something inside the oven assembly, probably a DAC, and it would be > interesting what they are doing there, so a schematic would be interesting > to see. > > Anyway I will quit rambling. So many things to do, so little time. > > Bill > _______________________________________________ > volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com > To unsubscribe, go to > https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts > and follow the instructions there. > >