Wednesday Night Racing SI
Warren,
Surely, you must be kidding!
Richie
At 09:11 PM 4/21/2014, Warren Frerichs wrote:
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Remember when Wednesday Night Racing was fun? Who hired a bunch of
congressmen to make up rules to protect us from ourselves? I do not want
to wear a PFD on a 90 degree summer Wednesday night. And I donât want
to carry a Farmerâs Almanac to know when the âofficial sundownâ
is. Nor do I want to buy a code flag set to use one flag, and hang it
six feet up my backstay where it will get jammed in the pulley for the
backstay adjuster. We have been fine for many years without all this
interference. Who is forcing all these ârulesâ down our throats?
This is getting out of hand and it must stop.
Warren Frerichs
Journey
 Nyack Boat Club
      Nyack, NY
   973-610-4231
From: Wednightracing
[mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of
Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:25 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Hello Racers,
Hoping your boats are in the water or you are ready to get in. First race
of Wednesday Night Racing is near. I wanted to send everyone the attached
copy of 2014 Wednesday Night Racing Sailing instructions and ask you to
renew your PHRF certificates.
Obvious change is the racing area.
As provided by construction authority and soon to be approved by USCG, we
are loosing most of the area south of the club. Hence the racing area
shifted north accordingly.
Use of Government Buoy "8" is naturally eliminated for racing, there is a
new racing buoy comes in to play, will be dropped by the racing committee
and called "E". This "E" will be in place, approximately parallel to and
north of "8". The other change is the government buoy "10" taken out of
the play and government buoy "11" comes in to play in order to gain the
distance lost by restricted construction zone.
You can easily see the visual references for the above changes in sailing
instructions map (attached). Also, approximate coordinates of each buoy
for the race courses are in a separate table, on page 2 of the sailing
instructions.
There are couple of changes to sailing instructions as well. I copied them
below.
       7.2                         The
mooring area and restricted construction zone are designated as
obstructions. No boat shall sail within these obstructions while racing.
The                                   Â
                                    Â
  mooring areas are defined as the area within straight lines joining
all outermost mooring buoys and the restricted construction zone is
between the âRââs                      Â
 and the bridge in the course map. âRââs maybe subject to change
by construction. The penalty for sailing within these obstructions while
racing shall                               Â
                 be disqualification fr        Â
                                    Â
            om that race. This changes RRS A5.
      Restricted construction zone is taken out and you will be
disqualified if you sail into the area during the race. (hey       Â
     you cannot go in there even if you are not racing)
 13.2              Protests and requests for redress
shall be made on the NBC Web site, Wednesday Night Protest Form, no later
than 11:59 p.m. on the following day of the               Â
                     race. Further instructions will
be found on the online protest form. Protests will be heard prior to the
start of racing on the following Wednesday Night. This          Â
                               changes RRS 62.2
      We heard loud and clear that protest time was short and
process was a bit involved . Hence the filing deadline
      time extended to the following day 11:59 PM
                               15.3   Â
   Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on
board not wearing PFDâs 30 minutes after official sunset will be
disqualified immediately by the                     Â
                                    Â
    Race Committee without a hearing. This changes RRS 63.1, A4 and A5
                  One more safety rule would not hurt.
If you get hit by a boom and fall into the water without PFD is bad to begin
                  with, adding darkness to the mix is a
disaster. This is added for safety. Put your lights and PFD's on after 30
                  minutes of the official sunset. If
you or any member of your crew is not
                  wearing a PFD after 30 minutes of
official sunset of the race day, RC has the authority to disqualify you,
Happy summer/sailing/racing. Let me know of any questions.
Best
Os
Osman Kurtulus
16 Sunset Park
Montclair,NJ 07043
(917)-774-7454
Wednightracing mailing list
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I'm strongly in favor of the streamer ya code flag option to recognize class. It would be much more difficult to identify a particular code flag than a simple color. The color ID worked great. Why would one want to complicate things (if it isn't broke, don't fix fit!)? Moreover, where could one get a single flag? Wouldn't that be a very needless expense?
Lou Spitz
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 21, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Lee luce01@optonline.net wrote:
To All Racers -
In addition to Osman’s comments below about the new mark placements and courses, please note that the Sailing Instructions include other important changes:
SI 6.2 – Streamers shall be flown from the backstay of each competing boat, approximately 6’ above deck level. Streamers are now defined as a Code Flags #1, #2, or #3, not our colored streamers used in the past. Failure to fly the proper Code Flag will make you vulnerable to a protest from either the Race Committee or any fellow racer.
SI 13.2 You must file a protest electronically, which means you must have a computer, a printer, and a scanner available within 24 hours of the event. This does not apply to racing on Sundays, or to Regattas.
And to re-emphasize SI 15.3 – Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on board not wearing PFD’s 30 minutes after official sunset will be disqualified immediately by the Race Committee without a hearing.
Lastly, although not mentioned, a copy of the Sunday and Regatta Sailing Instructions can be found outside the Race Committee closet on the lower level of the Club House. The Sailing Instructions for Sundays and Wednesdays are different, so please be sure you read them both carefully.
See you on the water.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary
From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:25 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Hello Racers,
Hoping your boats are in the water or you are ready to get in. First race of Wednesday Night Racing is near. I wanted to send everyone the attached copy of 2014 Wednesday Night Racing Sailing instructions and ask you to renew your PHRF certificates.
Obvious change is the racing area.
As provided by construction authority and soon to be approved by USCG, we are loosing most of the area south of the club. Hence the racing area shifted north accordingly.
Use of Government Buoy "8" is naturally eliminated for racing, there is a new racing buoy comes in to play, will be dropped by the racing committee and called "E". This "E" will be in place, approximately parallel to and north of "8". The other change is the government buoy "10" taken out of the play and government buoy "11" comes in to play in order to gain the distance lost by restricted construction zone.
You can easily see the visual references for the above changes in sailing instructions map (attached). Also, approximate coordinates of each buoy for the race courses are in a separate table, on page 2 of the sailing instructions.
There are couple of changes to sailing instructions as well. I copied them below.
7.2 The mooring area and restricted construction zone are designated as obstructions. No boat shall sail within these obstructions while racing. The mooring areas are defined as the area within straight lines joining all outermost mooring buoys and the restricted construction zone is between the “R”’s and the bridge in the course map. “R”’s maybe subject to change by construction. The penalty for sailing within these obstructions while racing shall be disqualification fr om that race. This changes RRS A5.
Restricted construction zone is taken out and you will be disqualified if you sail into the area during the race. (hey you cannot go in there even if you are not racing)
13.2 Protests and requests for redress shall be made on the NBC Web site, Wednesday Night Protest Form, no later than 11:59 p.m. on the following day of the race. Further instructions will be found on the online protest form. Protests will be heard prior to the start of racing on the following Wednesday Night. This changes RRS 62.2
We heard loud and clear that protest time was short and process was a bit involved . Hence the filing deadline
time extended to the following day 11:59 PM
15.3 Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on board not wearing PFD’s 30 minutes after official sunset will be disqualified immediately by the Race Committee without a hearing. This changes RRS 63.1, A4 and A5
One more safety rule would not hurt. If you get hit by a boom and fall into the water without PFD is bad to begin
with, adding darkness to the mix is a disaster. This is added for safety. Put your lights and PFD's on after 30
minutes of the official sunset. If you or any member of your crew is not
wearing a PFD after 30 minutes of official sunset of the race day, RC has the authority to disqualify you,
Happy summer/sailing/racing. Let me know of any questions.
Best
Os
Osman Kurtulus
16 Sunset Park
Montclair,NJ 07043
(917)-774-7454
Wednightracing mailing list
Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
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Hi All
I have been watching some of the comments going back and forth about the new changes to this year’s Wednesday night racing instructions. We put in using code flags instead of streamers to be flown on back stay during racing in answer to many requests from last year. If there is a strong opposition to this change, I am not opposed to making a change back to the streamers as used last year. Let’s see what we get as feedback on this.
As to the requirement to have navigation lights on 30 min after sunset. This is a coast Guard requirement.
As to wearing a PFD 30 minutes after sunset, I have discussed this with several racers and with Race Patrol. There will only be 1 patrol boat out on race course during Wednesday night racing and this boat could possibly be as much as a mile away from an incident. If it is dark, then it might be difficult to locate a victim. If you are in water without flotation wearing clothes, You might not be able to stay afloat that long. The decision to be safe is paramount. It is my view that it should not be that difficult or inconvenient to comply with this addition to the sailing instructions. I plan on keeping in this requirement in the sailing instructions.
David DeVries
Bill Cook
Race Committee
From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Louis
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Lee
Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
I'm strongly in favor of the streamer ya code flag option to recognize class. It would be much more difficult to identify a particular code flag than a simple color. The color ID worked great. Why would one want to complicate things (if it isn't broke, don't fix fit!)? Moreover, where could one get a single flag? Wouldn't that be a very needless expense?
Lou Spitz
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 21, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Lee <luce01@optonline.net mailto:luce01@optonline.net > wrote:
To All Racers -
In addition to Osman’s comments below about the new mark placements and courses, please note that the Sailing Instructions include other important changes:
SI 6.2 – Streamers shall be flown from the backstay of each competing boat, approximately 6’ above deck level. Streamers are now defined as a Code Flags #1, #2, or #3, not our colored streamers used in the past. Failure to fly the proper Code Flag will make you vulnerable to a protest from either the Race Committee or any fellow racer.
SI 13.2 You must file a protest electronically, which means you must have a computer, a printer, and a scanner available within 24 hours of the event. This does not apply to racing on Sundays, or to Regattas.
And to re-emphasize SI 15.3 – Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on board not wearing PFD’s 30 minutes after official sunset will be disqualified immediately by the Race Committee without a hearing.
Lastly, although not mentioned, a copy of the Sunday and Regatta Sailing Instructions can be found outside the Race Committee closet on the lower level of the Club House. The Sailing Instructions for Sundays and Wednesdays are different, so please be sure you read them both carefully.
See you on the water.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary
From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:25 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Hello Racers,
Hoping your boats are in the water or you are ready to get in. First race of Wednesday Night Racing is near. I wanted to send everyone the attached copy of 2014 Wednesday Night Racing Sailing instructions and ask you to renew your PHRF certificates.
Obvious change is the racing area.
As provided by construction authority and soon to be approved by USCG, we are loosing most of the area south of the club. Hence the racing area shifted north accordingly.
Use of Government Buoy "8" is naturally eliminated for racing, there is a new racing buoy comes in to play, will be dropped by the racing committee and called "E". This "E" will be in place, approximately parallel to and north of "8". The other change is the government buoy "10" taken out of the play and government buoy "11" comes in to play in order to gain the distance lost by restricted construction zone.
You can easily see the visual references for the above changes in sailing instructions map (attached). Also, approximate coordinates of each buoy for the race courses are in a separate table, on page 2 of the sailing instructions.
There are couple of changes to sailing instructions as well. I copied them below.
7.2 The mooring area and restricted construction zone are designated as obstructions. No boat shall sail within these obstructions while racing. The mooring areas are defined as the area within straight lines joining all outermost mooring buoys and the restricted construction zone is between the “R”’s and the bridge in the course map. “R”’s maybe subject to change by construction. The penalty for sailing within these obstructions while racing shall be disqualification fr om that race. This changes RRS A5.
Restricted construction zone is taken out and you will be disqualified if you sail into the area during the race. (hey you cannot go in there even if you are not racing)
13.2 Protests and requests for redress shall be made on the NBC Web site, Wednesday Night Protest Form, no later than 11:59 p.m. on the following day of the race. Further instructions will be found on the online protest form. Protests will be heard prior to the start of racing on the following Wednesday Night. This changes RRS 62.2
We heard loud and clear that protest time was short and process was a bit involved . Hence the filing deadline
time extended to the following day 11:59 PM
15.3 Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on board not wearing PFD’s 30 minutes after official sunset will be disqualified immediately by the Race Committee without a hearing. This changes RRS 63.1, A4 and A5
One more safety rule would not hurt. If you get hit by a boom and fall into the water without PFD is bad to begin
with, adding darkness to the mix is a disaster. This is added for safety. Put your lights and PFD's on after 30
minutes of the official sunset. If you or any member of your crew is not
wearing a PFD after 30 minutes of official sunset of the race day, RC has the authority to disqualify you,
Happy summer/sailing/racing. Let me know of any questions.
Best
Os
Osman Kurtulus
16 Sunset Park
Montclair,NJ 07043
(917)-774-7454
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You may lose some racers who simply have had enough of big brother telling them what to do. 90 degrees, light air and a pfd? You’ll sweat like the proverbial pig.
That increases the chance of heat stroke, and increases everyone’s hydration requirements…
If we were losing people overboard every week, I can see it, but that is not our experience.
I’ve been hit by a boom more than I have fallen overboard. Why not require helmets for all participants? And shin guards? And a mouthpiece to protect our dental work…. It’s a slippery slope.
Warren Frerichs
Journey
Nyack Boat Club
Nyack, NY
973-610-4231
From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Dvid Devries
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 11:20 AM
To: 'Louis'; 'Lee'
Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Hi All
I have been watching some of the comments going back and forth about the new changes to this year’s Wednesday night racing instructions. We put in using code flags instead of streamers to be flown on back stay during racing in answer to many requests from last year. If there is a strong opposition to this change, I am not opposed to making a change back to the streamers as used last year. Let’s see what we get as feedback on this.
As to the requirement to have navigation lights on 30 min after sunset. This is a coast Guard requirement.
As to wearing a PFD 30 minutes after sunset, I have discussed this with several racers and with Race Patrol. There will only be 1 patrol boat out on race course during Wednesday night racing and this boat could possibly be as much as a mile away from an incident. If it is dark, then it might be difficult to locate a victim. If you are in water without flotation wearing clothes, You might not be able to stay afloat that long. The decision to be safe is paramount. It is my view that it should not be that difficult or inconvenient to comply with this addition to the sailing instructions. I plan on keeping in this requirement in the sailing instructions.
David DeVries
Bill Cook
Race Committee
From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Louis
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 10:12 AM
To: Lee
Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
I'm strongly in favor of the streamer ya code flag option to recognize class. It would be much more difficult to identify a particular code flag than a simple color. The color ID worked great. Why would one want to complicate things (if it isn't broke, don't fix fit!)? Moreover, where could one get a single flag? Wouldn't that be a very needless expense?
Lou Spitz
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 21, 2014, at 3:24 PM, Lee luce01@optonline.net wrote:
To All Racers -
In addition to Osman’s comments below about the new mark placements and courses, please note that the Sailing Instructions include other important changes:
SI 6.2 – Streamers shall be flown from the backstay of each competing boat, approximately 6’ above deck level. Streamers are now defined as a Code Flags #1, #2, or #3, not our colored streamers used in the past. Failure to fly the proper Code Flag will make you vulnerable to a protest from either the Race Committee or any fellow racer.
SI 13.2 You must file a protest electronically, which means you must have a computer, a printer, and a scanner available within 24 hours of the event. This does not apply to racing on Sundays, or to Regattas.
And to re-emphasize SI 15.3 – Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on board not wearing PFD’s 30 minutes after official sunset will be disqualified immediately by the Race Committee without a hearing.
Lastly, although not mentioned, a copy of the Sunday and Regatta Sailing Instructions can be found outside the Race Committee closet on the lower level of the Club House. The Sailing Instructions for Sundays and Wednesdays are different, so please be sure you read them both carefully.
See you on the water.
Lee Luce
Cruising Fleet Secretary
From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:25 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Hello Racers,
Hoping your boats are in the water or you are ready to get in. First race of Wednesday Night Racing is near. I wanted to send everyone the attached copy of 2014 Wednesday Night Racing Sailing instructions and ask you to renew your PHRF certificates.
Obvious change is the racing area.
As provided by construction authority and soon to be approved by USCG, we are loosing most of the area south of the club. Hence the racing area shifted north accordingly.
Use of Government Buoy "8" is naturally eliminated for racing, there is a new racing buoy comes in to play, will be dropped by the racing committee and called "E". This "E" will be in place, approximately parallel to and north of "8". The other change is the government buoy "10" taken out of the play and government buoy "11" comes in to play in order to gain the distance lost by restricted construction zone.
You can easily see the visual references for the above changes in sailing instructions map (attached). Also, approximate coordinates of each buoy for the race courses are in a separate table, on page 2 of the sailing instructions.
There are couple of changes to sailing instructions as well. I copied them below.
7.2 The mooring area and restricted construction zone are designated as obstructions. No boat shall sail within these obstructions while racing. The mooring areas are defined as the area within straight lines joining all outermost mooring buoys and the restricted construction zone is between the “R”’s and the bridge in the course map. “R”’s maybe subject to change by construction. The penalty for sailing within these obstructions while racing shall be disqualification fr om that race. This changes RRS A5.
Restricted construction zone is taken out and you will be disqualified if you sail into the area during the race. (hey you cannot go in there even if you are not racing)
13.2 Protests and requests for redress shall be made on the NBC Web site, Wednesday Night Protest Form, no later than 11:59 p.m. on the following day of the race. Further instructions will be found on the online protest form. Protests will be heard prior to the start of racing on the following Wednesday Night. This changes RRS 62.2
We heard loud and clear that protest time was short and process was a bit involved . Hence the filing deadline
time extended to the following day 11:59 PM
15.3 Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on board not wearing PFD’s 30 minutes after official sunset will be disqualified immediately by the Race Committee without a hearing. This changes RRS 63.1, A4 and A5
One more safety rule would not hurt. If you get hit by a boom and fall into the water without PFD is bad to begin
with, adding darkness to the mix is a disaster. This is added for safety. Put your lights and PFD's on after 30
minutes of the official sunset. If you or any member of your crew is not
wearing a PFD after 30 minutes of official sunset of the race day, RC has the authority to disqualify you,
Happy summer/sailing/racing. Let me know of any questions.
Best
Os
Osman Kurtulus
16 Sunset Park
Montclair,NJ 07043
(917)-774-7454
Wednightracing mailing list
Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
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Well said, Gary.
Dick Bracken
On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at 06:37 PM, Gary Tenenbaum wrote:
I would like to respond on the part of last year's
race committee
Although it should be clear to all that I am not
currently part of the leadership.
This fleet asked to have flags last year. We
offered to continue with streamers and were specifically asked to insert
flags
instead. I personally changed the SI's several times to include this
request. I will bet that the current RC chairs don't give a darn
whichever! Having said that, they want to have some type of indication
of
your group so they don;t have to figure it out. Fly the darn
streamer. It just isn't that big a deal to you but it is extra work for
them.
You don't want to wear a PFD after dark?
Fine. We'll ask the Coast Guard to search for your remains. What's the
big
deal? For certain age brackets, it is the law. You're too big to go
along with the program, why? Just because we want you to be safe, do
you
really have to make such a big deal out of it?
How about understanding that the Wednesday night RC
is comprised of volunteers and they really care about having a good time
and a
safe time while they are at it.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From:
Matthew
Schlanger mailto:matt@blackhammer.com
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 4:23
PM
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing]
Wednesday Night Racing SI
I like the idea of dropping the code flag requirement. That
seems wonky. Streamers were fine.
As far as 7.2, if the majority were in favor, and/or RC was insistent,
how about a compromise. What if it was based on wind speed and/or
windspeed
and sundown. I would suggest we require the RC to notify racers at
the start
of the race: if it's a race that will require PFDs throughout the
race, or
after sundown, if at all. AND if required at sundown, then I would
require the RC to alert racers again at sundown. I know this
complicates
the issue and best to keep things simple, but I understand the RC
wanting to
embrace safety. Being forced to wear a PFD in a hot drifter is dumb.
If that's
too much, drop the whole thing and instead implore racers to use
commons sense
and have the RC encourage use of PFDs on bad nights.
I have no issue with 13.2 going digital.
Matthew
Schlanger
Odalisque
On Apr 22, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Lee <luce01@optonline.net
mailto:luce01@optonline.net >
wrote:
Fellow
racers –
Please
let’s dial down the rhetoric a little bit and start a meaningful
dialogue.
Here’s my input.
I
think parts of the Wednesday Night Sailing Instructions might be
re-written
to reflect the wishes of the racers. Specifically:
- SI
6.2 Streamers and code flags should be
eliminated because everyone knows which division they should be
sailing in,
and the Race Committee should have a list of boats in each
division. Let’s
do away with this rule. If 6.2 is not eliminated, individual code
flags can
be ordered online through West Marine, and I’m sure Tom Lawton can
lay in a
supply if needed.
- SI
13.2 As we have always done,
conventional handwritten paper protests should be allowed.
Re-wording might
be “Time limit for protests and requests for redress shall be 1
hour
after the RC signal boat reaches her mooring slip. Protests and
requests for
redress may also be made on the NBC
website…etc.”
- SI
7.2 (Sailing within restricted zones)
and SI 15.3 (Wearing life jackets 30 minutes
after sundown). Since SI 14 states Each fleet will determine the
series scoring and penalty system, the Race Committee cannot
“disqualify
a boat without a hearing”. The Race Committee would have to protest
each
boat per each infraction of SI 7.2 or 15.3 individually. If the RC
is
willing to do this, SIs 7.2 and 15.3 might be re-worded “subject to
protest
by the Race Committee”.
No
one has mentioned anything about scoring. I hope there
is ample opportunity for ideas and input from the racing community
on this
important topic.
Lee
From: Wednightracing
[mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
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Of ebsail@optonline.net mailto:ebsail@optonline.net
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 1:56
PM
To: Warren
Frerichs
Cc: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday
Night Racing SI
A
code flag cost around $25. I don't see why we need
this. The sails have numbers. And we don't have that many
boats. And some are easily recognized, like Matt's Tartan 27 and
Morris's baby blue hull etc. Ernie
----- Original
Message -----
From: Warren Frerichs
Date: Monday, April 21, 2014
9:12 pm
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing
SI
To: 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' , wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
mailto:wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Remember when Wednesday Night Racing was fun? Who hired a
bunch of congressmen to
make up rules to protect us from
ourselves? I do not want
to wear a PFD on a 90 degree summer
Wednesday night. And I
don’t want to carry a Farmer’s Almanac
to know when the “official
sundown” is. Nor do I want to buy a
code flag set to use one
flag, and hang it six feet up my
backstay where it will get
jammed in the pulley for the backstay
adjuster. We have been
fine for many years without all this
interference. Who is
forcing all these “rules” down our throats?
This is getting out of
hand and it must stop.
Warren Frerichs
Journey
Nyack Boat
Club
Nyack,
NY
973-610-4231
From: Wednightracing
[mailto:wednightracing-
On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:25
PM
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Hello Racers,
Hoping your boats are in
the water or you are ready to get in.
First race of Wednesday
Night Racing is near. I wanted to send
everyone the attached copy
of 2014 Wednesday Night Racing
Sailing instructions and
ask you to renew your PHRF certificates.
Obvious change is the
racing area.
As provided by
construction authority and soon to be approved by
USCG, we are loosing most
of the area south of the club. Hence
the racing area shifted
north accordingly.
Use of Government Buoy "8"
is naturally eliminated for racing,
there is a new racing buoy
comes in to play, will be dropped by
the racing committee and
called "E". This "E" will be in place,
approximately parallel to
and north of "8". The other change is
the government buoy "10"
taken out of the play and government
buoy "11" comes in to play
in order to gain the distance lost by
restricted construction
zone.
You can easily see the
visual references for the above changes
in sailing instructions
map (attached). Also, approximate
coordinates of each buoy
for the race courses are in a separate
table, on page 2 of the
sailing instructions.
There are couple of
changes to sailing instructions as well. I
copied them
below.
7.2 The mooring area
and
restricted
construction zone are designated as obstructions. No
boat shall sail within
these obstructions while racing. The
mooring areas are defined
as the area within straight lines
joining all outermost
mooring buoys and the restricted
construction zone is
between the “R”’s
and
the bridge in the course map. “R”’s maybe subject to change
by construction. The
penalty for sailing within these
obstructions while racing
shall
be
disqualification fr
om that race. This changes RRS A5.
Restricted construction
zone is taken out and you will be
disqualified if you sail
into the area during the race. (hey
you cannot go in there
even if you are not racing)
13.2 Protests and requests
for redress shall
be
made on the NBC Web site, Wednesday Night Protest Form, no
later than 11:59 p.m. on
the following day of the
race. Further instructions
will be found
on the
online protest form. Protests will be heard prior to the
start of racing on the
following Wednesday Night. This
changes RRS
62.2
We heard loud and clear
that protest time was short and
process was a bit involved
. Hence the filing deadline
time extended to the
following day 11:59 PM
15.3 Any boat sailing
without proper night
lighting and everyone on board not wearing
PFD’s 30 minutes after
official sunset will be disqualified
immediately by the
Race Committee without a
hearing. This changes
RRS 63.1, A4 and A5
One more safety rule would
not hurt. If you
get
hit by a boom and fall into the water without PFD is bad to
begin
with, adding darkness to
the mix is a
disaster. This is added for safety. Put your lights and PFD's on
after 30
minutes of the official
sunset. If you or any
member of your crew is not
wearing a PFD after 30
minutes of official
sunset of the race day, RC has the authority to disqualify you,
Happy
summer/sailing/racing. Let me know of any questions.
Best
Os
Osman
Kurtulus
16
Sunset Park
Montclair,NJ
07043
(917)-774-7454
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Morris,
When you have NO COMMITTEE
BOAT NO RACE PATROL BOAT and most likely, no rules, they don't call it
racing. It's really more like........cruising. Have fun and I'd like to
get out with you some Tuesday.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: sailor1205@aol.com
To: warrenfrerichs@realtyexecutives.com; kurtulusoc@aol.com;
wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
I FEEL THE SAME AS WARREN.
THERE WAS A SONG IN THE SIXTIES "CATCH ME IF YOU CAN"
i WILL MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WEARING A PFD AFTER DARK WILL BE THERE OWN
DECISION AND I WILL SUPPORT THERE DECISION.
FUN TUSEDAY NIGHT RACING WILL BEGIN SOON. ALL ARE WELCOME NO COMMITTEE
BOAT NO RACE PATROL BOAT, ALL ARE WELCOME
morris
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Frerichs warrenfrerichs@realtyexecutives.com
To: 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' kurtulusoc@aol.com; wednightracing
wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Sent: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Remember when Wednesday Night Racing was fun? Who hired a bunch of
congressmen to make up rules to protect us from ourselves? I do not want
to wear a PFD on a 90 degree summer Wednesday night. And I don’t want to
carry a Farmer’s Almanac to know when the “official sundown” is. Nor do I
want to buy a code flag set to use one flag, and hang it six feet up my
backstay where it will get jammed in the pulley for the backstay adjuster.
We have been fine for many years without all this interference. Who is
forcing all these “rules” down our throats?
This is getting out of hand and it must stop.
Warren Frerichs
Journey
Nyack Boat Club
Nyack, NY
973-610-4231
From: Wednightracing
[mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of
Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:25 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Hello Racers,
Hoping your boats are in the water or you are ready to get in. First race
of Wednesday Night Racing is near. I wanted to send everyone the attached
copy of 2014 Wednesday Night Racing Sailing instructions and ask you to
renew your PHRF certificates.
Obvious change is the racing area.
As provided by construction authority and soon to be approved by USCG, we
are loosing most of the area south of the club. Hence the racing area
shifted north accordingly.
Use of Government Buoy "8" is naturally eliminated for racing, there is a
new racing buoy comes in to play, will be dropped by the racing committee
and called "E". This "E" will be in place, approximately parallel to and
north of "8". The other change is the government buoy "10" taken out of
the play and government buoy "11" comes in to play in order to gain the
distance lost by restricted construction zone.
You can easily see the visual references for the above changes in sailing
instructions map (attached). Also, approximate coordinates of each buoy
for the race courses are in a separate table, on page 2 of the sailing
instructions.
There are couple of changes to sailing instructions as well. I copied them
below.
7.2 The mooring area and restricted construction zone are designated as
obstructions. No boat shall sail within these obstructions while racing.
The
mooring areas are defined as the area within straight lines joining all
outermost mooring buoys and the restricted construction zone is between
the “R”’s and the bridge in the course map. “R”’s maybe subject to change
by construction. The penalty for sailing within these obstructions while
racing shall be disqualification fr om that race. This changes RRS A5.
Restricted construction zone is taken out and you will be disqualified if
you sail into the area during the race. (hey you cannot go in there even
if you are not racing)
13.2 Protests and requests for redress shall be made on the NBC Web site,
Wednesday Night Protest Form, no later than 11:59 p.m. on the following
day of the race. Further instructions will be found on the online protest
form. Protests will be heard prior to the start of racing on the following
Wednesday Night. This changes RRS 62.2
We heard loud and clear that protest time was short and process was a bit
involved . Hence the filing deadline
time extended to the following day 11:59 PM
15.3 Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on board
not wearing PFD’s 30 minutes after official sunset will be disqualified
immediately by the Race Committee without a hearing. This changes RRS
63.1, A4 and A5
One more safety rule would not hurt. If you get hit by a boom and fall
into the water without PFD is bad to begin
with, adding darkness to the mix is a disaster. This is added for safety.
Put your lights and PFD's on after 30
minutes of the official sunset. If you or any member of your crew is not
wearing a PFD after 30 minutes of official sunset of the race day, RC has
the authority to disqualify you,
Happy summer/sailing/racing. Let me know of any questions.
Best
Os
Osman Kurtulus
16 Sunset Park
Montclair,NJ 07043
(917)-774-7454
Wednightracing mailing list
Wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
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Wednesday night racing in Haverstraw Bay has no official race committee,
racers share the responsibility to officiate the race. They have no race
patrol and therefore no strain on manpower, no fleet has to "volunteer"
members. The races are attended by various boat clubs in the area. They
still have competition, a reason to sail your boat in 6kt winds, trophies
and more importantly a good time in all weather.
Larry
Anybody have a used code 2 flag for sale?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Gary Tenenbaum gtenen@optonline.netwrote:
Morris,
When you have NO COMMITTEE
BOAT NO RACE PATROL BOAT and most likely, no rules, they don't call it
racing. It's really more like........cruising. Have fun and I'd like to
get out with you some Tuesday.
Gary
----- Original Message ----- From: sailor1205@aol.com
To: warrenfrerichs@realtyexecutives.com; kurtulusoc@aol.com; <
wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
I FEEL THE SAME AS WARREN.
THERE WAS A SONG IN THE SIXTIES "CATCH ME IF YOU CAN"
i WILL MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WEARING A PFD AFTER DARK WILL BE THERE OWN
DECISION AND I WILL SUPPORT THERE DECISION.
FUN TUSEDAY NIGHT RACING WILL BEGIN SOON. ALL ARE WELCOME NO COMMITTEE
BOAT NO RACE PATROL BOAT, ALL ARE WELCOME
morris
-----Original Message-----
From: Warren Frerichs warrenfrerichs@realtyexecutives.com
To: 'Osman Coskun Kurtulus' kurtulusoc@aol.com; wednightracing <
wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org>
Sent: Mon, Apr 21, 2014 9:12 pm
Subject: Re: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Remember when Wednesday Night Racing was fun? Who hired a bunch of
congressmen to make up rules to protect us from ourselves? I do not want to
wear a PFD on a 90 degree summer Wednesday night. And I don't want to carry
a Farmer's Almanac to know when the "official sundown" is. Nor do I want to
buy a code flag set to use one flag, and hang it six feet up my backstay
where it will get jammed in the pulley for the backstay adjuster. We have
been fine for many years without all this interference. Who is forcing all
these "rules" down our throats?
This is getting out of hand and it must stop.
Warren Frerichs
Journey
Nyack Boat Club
Nyack, NY
973-610-4231
From: Wednightracing [mailto:wednightracing-bounces@maillist.
nyackboatclub.org] On Behalf Of Osman Coskun Kurtulus
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2014 2:25 PM
To: wednightracing@maillist.nyackboatclub.org
Subject: [CruisingFleetRacing] Wednesday Night Racing SI
Hello Racers,
Hoping your boats are in the water or you are ready to get in. First race
of Wednesday Night Racing is near. I wanted to send everyone the attached
copy of 2014 Wednesday Night Racing Sailing instructions and ask you to
renew your PHRF certificates.
Obvious change is the racing area.
As provided by construction authority and soon to be approved by USCG, we
are loosing most of the area south of the club. Hence the racing area
shifted north accordingly.
Use of Government Buoy "8" is naturally eliminated for racing, there is a
new racing buoy comes in to play, will be dropped by the racing committee
and called "E". This "E" will be in place, approximately parallel to and
north of "8". The other change is the government buoy "10" taken out of the
play and government buoy "11" comes in to play in order to gain the
distance lost by restricted construction zone.
You can easily see the visual references for the above changes in sailing
instructions map (attached). Also, approximate coordinates of each buoy for
the race courses are in a separate table, on page 2 of the sailing
instructions.
There are couple of changes to sailing instructions as well. I copied
them below.
7.2 The mooring area and restricted construction zone are designated as
obstructions. No boat shall sail within these obstructions while racing. The
mooring areas are defined as the area within straight lines joining all
outermost mooring buoys and the restricted construction zone is between the
"R"'s and the bridge in the course map. "R"'s maybe subject to change by
construction. The penalty for sailing within these obstructions while
racing shall be disqualification fr om that race. This changes RRS A5.
Restricted construction zone is taken out and you will be disqualified if
you sail into the area during the race. (hey you cannot go in there even if
you are not racing)
13.2 Protests and requests for redress shall be made on the NBC Web site,
Wednesday Night Protest Form, no later than 11:59 p.m. on the following day
of the race. Further instructions will be found on the online protest form.
Protests will be heard prior to the start of racing on the following
Wednesday Night. This changes RRS 62.2
We heard loud and clear that protest time was short and process was a bit
involved . Hence the filing deadline
time extended to the following day 11:59 PM
15.3 Any boat sailing without proper night lighting and everyone on board
not wearing PFD's 30 minutes after official sunset will be disqualified
immediately by the Race Committee without a hearing. This changes RRS 63.1,
A4 and A5
One more safety rule would not hurt. If you get hit by a boom and fall
into the water without PFD is bad to begin
with, adding darkness to the mix is a disaster. This is added for safety.
Put your lights and PFD's on after 30
minutes of the official sunset. If you or any member of your crew is not
wearing a PFD after 30 minutes of official sunset of the race day, RC has
the authority to disqualify you,
Happy summer/sailing/racing. Let me know of any questions.
Best
Os
Osman Kurtulus
16 Sunset Park
Montclair,NJ 07043
(917)-774-7454
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