Regards, Bert Harrott

Hi Noelle, Gunboat 48 seems to be a very high quality catamaran but I am afraid the price tag will be much higher than for a Nordhavn ) a good used Nordhavn 40 goes for 500.000USD) ... How much would a second hand Gunboat 48 go for.. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Noelle Harrott <harrott@hawaii.rr.com>wrote: > Well, here's another two cents worth of opinion on the equivalent topic... > Christian, you've stated that your primary cruising area will be in warm > latitudes which would eliminate one of the Nordhavn's prime attributes. > They are a "wild-weather" boat, great insulation, > heating and a protected pilothouse with good visibility. Their hullforms > are designed for formidable seakeeping. In an awful sea-state I would > probably feel most secure (and comfortable) in a Nordhavn than in a > similarly sized Powercat. The displacement difference of the two designs > probably accounts for much of that difference. > > If size and cost should be equivalent as well as rang and speed then I > must agree with Mark that sailing cats are worth a look. > The Gunboat 48 is unique in that it has a fabulous inside steering station > as well as a forward cockpit. If sailing is not out of the question then the > Gunboat offers speeds around twice that of the smaller Nordhavns. Motoring > speeds should also exceed that of the monohull.By adding a backup watermaker > and converting the watertanks to fuel, > motoring range becomes very useful. The sailing capabilities only add to > the safety at sea > The build quality of these boats is very high and the space advantages will > add to boating enjoyment. > I'm sure that Rod Gibbons could weigh in with some valuable insights on the > topic. > Thank you for posing such a stimulating question on this list which has > been rather dormant of late. > > Regards, Bert Harrott > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Georgs Kolesnikovs" <gxk@earthlink.net > > > To: "Power Catamaran List" <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 4:08 AM > Subject: [PCW] Power catamarans vs Nordhavn 43, was Re: Fwd: equivalent > > > > Bill and others-- >> >> The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters >> is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos, >> completing a circumnavigation of the world this year: >> >> http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/ >> >> Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price >> of 795,000 USD. >> >> I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind >> Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are >> larger, more spacious yachts. >> >> http://chrysalisvoyage.com/ >> http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp >> >> Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or >> builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is >> another thing altogether. >> >> But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean- >> crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43. >> >> --Georgs >> >> PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this >> discussion. >> >> >> On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote: >> >> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a >>> Crosswater >>> http://crosswatercats.com/ >>> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it >>> is the best all-around boat for the $$. >>> >>> Bill Carlson >>> Ocean City MD >>> >>> >>>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, >>>> comfort to >>>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull....... >>>> >>>> Thanks for your input. >>>> Best Regards >>>> Christian >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Power-Catamaran Mailing List >> > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List

What's the longest passage you would make in the Caribbean or to the South America? That will tell you what powercats you can consider. Certainly, if you're not thinking trans-oceanic, your short list of power catamarans just got a whole lot longer. But don't think larger equals safer or better. Find the smallest powercat that will help you accomplish what you seek. Even though I've owned boats as big as 60-feet LOA, I'm a small-boat man at heart, and I usually cruise alone or with my Admiral; thus, for your purposes I personally would be considering an Arrowcat 30 or a Buzzards Bay 33. http://arrowcatmarine.com/ http://www.mdcats.com/ --Georgs > You are right Georgs, primarily I am planning to sail in the > Caribbean sea > and south America, not necessary ocean crossing. Of course a > Nordhavn 40 > would also do. I really like the stability, living space, and low > draft of a > catamaran if any would come with quality and reliability of the > Nordhavn. > > best Regards > Christian > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs > <gxk@earthlink.net>wrote: > >> Bill and others-- >> >> The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters >> is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos, >> completing a circumnavigation of the world this year: >> >> http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/ >> >> Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price >> of 795,000 USD. >> >> I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind >> Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are >> larger, more spacious yachts. >> >> http://chrysalisvoyage.com/ >> http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp >> >> Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer >> or >> builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is >> another thing altogether. >> >> But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean >> ocean- >> crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43. >> >> --Georgs >> >> PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find >> this >> discussion. >> >> >> On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote: >> >>> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a >>> Crosswater >>> http://crosswatercats.com/ >>> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it >>> is the best all-around boat for the $$. >>> >>> Bill Carlson >>> Ocean City MD >>> >>>> >>>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, >>>> comfort to >>>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull....... >>>> >>>> Thanks for your input. >>>> Best Regards >>>> Christian >> _______________________________________________ >> Power-Catamaran Mailing List > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Thanks, I will check them out. In my case, we plan to become live aboard nomads. This is why I was looking at the large Cat. Have you ever heard of this make "cat"? In general it kind of reminds me of a "Marine Trader" of cats. Ed On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net>wrote: > What's the longest passage you would make in the Caribbean or to the South > America? That will tell you what powercats you can consider. > > Certainly, if you're not thinking trans-oceanic, your short list of power > catamarans just got a whole lot longer. > > But don't think larger equals safer or better. Find the smallest powercat > that will help you accomplish what you seek. > > Even though I've owned boats as big as 60-feet LOA, I'm a small-boat man at > heart, and I usually cruise alone or with my Admiral; thus, for your > purposes I personally would be considering an Arrowcat 30 or a Buzzards Bay > 33. > > http://arrowcatmarine.com/ > http://www.mdcats.com/ > > --Georgs > > > You are right Georgs, primarily I am planning to sail in the Caribbean sea >> and south America, not necessary ocean crossing. Of course a Nordhavn 40 >> would also do. I really like the stability, living space, and low draft of >> a >> catamaran if any would come with quality and reliability of the Nordhavn. >> >> best Regards >> Christian >> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net >> >wrote: >> >> Bill and others-- >>> >>> The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters >>> is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos, >>> completing a circumnavigation of the world this year: >>> >>> http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/ >>> >>> Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price >>> of 795,000 USD. >>> >>> I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind >>> Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are >>> larger, more spacious yachts. >>> >>> http://chrysalisvoyage.com/ >>> http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp >>> >>> Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or >>> builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is >>> another thing altogether. >>> >>> But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean- >>> crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43. >>> >>> --Georgs >>> >>> PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this >>> discussion. >>> >>> >>> On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote: >>> >>> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a >>>> Crosswater >>>> http://crosswatercats.com/ >>>> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it >>>> is the best all-around boat for the $$. >>>> >>>> Bill Carlson >>>> Ocean City MD >>>> >>>> >>>>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, >>>>> comfort to >>>>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull....... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your input. >>>>> Best Regards >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Power-Catamaran Mailing List >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Power-Catamaran Mailing List >> > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Georgs suggestion to look at the Arrow Cat 30 and Buzzards Bay 33 made me think of the following: About a month ago I asked "are there no small cat builders remaining in business" (or something like that). It was my first question on this forum and I was surprised at the number of responses. I learned a lot and due to one of the suggestions, I visited Aero Cat Marine in Erie, PA and was so impressed with my test ride that I ordered a 24' center console cat for spring delivery. These guys have just announced a new line of cats from 30 to 36 feet, with (I think) 10-12-14 foot beams. I have a lot of time on the water, but very little in cats, but I have to tell you that I was more than impressed with their small boats and assume that the larger line will perform even better due to the increase in length and beam. They have a unique building process where they can build (they call it assemble) hulls from cored panels in a fixture scaled to whatever size hull has been ordered. (www.aerocatboats.com) ________________________________ From: ed charter <edcharter@gmail.com> To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 5:57:11 PM Subject: Re: [PCW] Power catamarans vs Nordhavn 43, was Re: Fwd: equivalent Thanks, I will check them out. In my case, we plan to become live aboard nomads. This is why I was looking at the large Cat. Have you ever heard of this make "cat"? In general it kind of reminds me of a "Marine Trader" of cats. Ed On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net>wrote: > What's the longest passage you would make in the Caribbean or to the South > America? That will tell you what powercats you can consider. > > Certainly, if you're not thinking trans-oceanic, your short list of power > catamarans just got a whole lot longer. > > But don't think larger equals safer or better. Find the smallest powercat > that will help you accomplish what you seek. > > Even though I've owned boats as big as 60-feet LOA, I'm a small-boat man at > heart, and I usually cruise alone or with my Admiral; thus, for your > purposes I personally would be considering an Arrowcat 30 or a Buzzards Bay > 33. > > http://arrowcatmarine.com/ > http://www.mdcats.com/ > > --Georgs > > > You are right Georgs, primarily I am planning to sail in the Caribbean sea >> and south America, not necessary ocean crossing. Of course a Nordhavn 40 >> would also do. I really like the stability, living space, and low draft of >> a >> catamaran if any would come with quality and reliability of the Nordhavn. >> >> best Regards >> Christian >> >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 4:08 PM, Georgs Kolesnikovs <gxk@earthlink.net >> >wrote: >> >> Bill and others-- >>> >>> The big difference between the Nordhavn 43 and any of the Crosswaters >>> is that the N43 is a proven passagemaker with Hull #18, Kosmos, >>> completing a circumnavigation of the world this year: >>> >>> http://kosmos.liveflux.net/blog/our-boat/ >>> >>> Incidentally, the well-equipped Kosmos is for sale at an asking price >>> of 795,000 USD. >>> >>> I suspect any of the few proven powercat passagemakers, such as Wind >>> Wind IV and Chrysalis, cost a lot more than that. Of course, they are >>> larger, more spacious yachts. >>> >>> http://chrysalisvoyage.com/ >>> http://www.pachoud.co.nz/yachts/wild-wind-IV.asp >>> >>> Notice my use of the word "proven." It's one thing to be a designer or >>> builder and claim your boat will cross an ocean. Actually doing so is >>> another thing altogether. >>> >>> But perhaps Christian, when he started this thread, did not mean ocean- >>> crossing equivalents of the Nordhavn 43. >>> >>> --Georgs >>> >>> PS I modified the subject line so that it would be easier to find this >>> discussion. >>> >>> >>> On 26-Sep-09, at 9:05 AM, Bill Carlson, Sr. wrote: >>> >>> For less than the cost of an N43, have Felix Herrin build you a >>>> Crosswater >>>> http://crosswatercats.com/ >>>> The economic downturn put it out of my reach, but I still think it >>>> is the best all-around boat for the $$. >>>> >>>> Bill Carlson >>>> Ocean City MD >>>> >>>> >>>>> what would be a power catamaran equivalent in autonomy, quality, >>>>> comfort to >>>>> a Nordhavn 43 monohull....... >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for your input. >>>>> Best Regards >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Power-Catamaran Mailing List >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Power-Catamaran Mailing List >> > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List _______________________________________________ Power-Catamaran Mailing List

Porter, be sure to post your impressions here about the AeroCat 24 center console once you've had a chance to use it for a while in the spring. Speaking of AeroCat, has anyone seen or, better yet, sea-trialed the AeroCat 27 Trawler? http://www.aerocatboats.com/pocket_trawler/ --Georgs On 27-Sep-09, at 8:15 PM, Porter Jameson wrote: > Georgs suggestion to look at the Arrow Cat 30 and Buzzards Bay 33 > made me think of the following: > About a month ago I asked "are there no small cat builders remaining > in business" (or something like that). It was my first question on > this forum and I was surprised at the number of responses. I learned > a lot and due to one of the suggestions, I visited Aero Cat Marine > in Erie, PA and was so impressed with my test ride that I ordered a > 24' center console cat for spring delivery. > > These guys have just announced a new line of cats from 30 to 36 > feet, with (I think) 10-12-14 foot beams. > I have a lot of time on the water, but very little in cats, but I > have to tell you that I was more than impressed with their small > boats and assume that the larger line will perform even better due > to the increase in length and beam. They have a unique building > process where they can build (they call it assemble) hulls from > cored panels in a fixture scaled to whatever size hull has been > ordered. (www.aerocatboats.com)

I hope I'm not violating list rules here, but yesterday I learned second-hand that a 35 ft aluminum cat built by Maxweld Boats will be coming up for sale soon here in Juneau. The boat's maybe 4-5 years old and owned by a local doctor. Used primarily for fishing and hunting with his family here in SE Alaska, it has fairly simple appointments, but is a high quality boat and well maintained. Powered by twin Volvo D6 330's. No idea what the asking price will be, but would expect it to be roughly in the $300K ballpark. I believe this is the boat: http://www.maxweldboats.com/photosIII.htm Incidentally, I recently learned that Maxweld is folding up shop - another victim of the economy I guess. So not sure how long this website will remain up. I have no affiliation with this boat - just posting for general info. Contact me off-list at deering(at)ak(dot)net and I'll send you more info as I get it. Bob Deering Juneau, Alaska

There is no rule against such a post, recommending to others listees a particular boat or product in which the poster has NO financial interest and derives NO commercial benefit. --Listmaster Georgs On 29-Sep-09, at 11:06 AM, Robert Deering wrote: > I hope I'm not violating list rules here, but yesterday I learned > second-hand that a 35 ft aluminum cat built by Maxweld Boats will be > coming > up for sale soon here in Juneau. The boat's maybe 4-5 years old and > owned > by a local doctor. > > I have no affiliation with this boat - just posting for general info. > Contact me off-list at deering(at)ak(dot)net and I'll send you more > info as > I get it. > > Bob Deering > Juneau, Alaska > _______________________________________________ > Power-Catamaran Mailing List