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Jon Bondy

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 1:37 AM

Recently, I often receive messages that look like this:

Note that the From does not identify the writer. Maybe the CC
identifies the writer, but there are two under CC. So, I never know
who wrote what I am reading.

I suggest that people sign their posts to allow us to better understand
who wrote each missive.

Jon

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Recently, I often receive messages that look like this: Note that the From does not identify the writer. Maybe the CC identifies the writer, but there are two under CC. So, I never know who wrote what I am reading. I suggest that people sign their posts to allow us to better understand who wrote each missive. Jon -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com

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Jordan Brown

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 3:18 AM

On Oct 31, 2024, at 6:37 PM, Jon Bondy via Discuss discuss@lists.openscad.org wrote:

Recently, I often receive messages that look like this:

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Note that the From does not identify the writer. Maybe the CC identifies the writer, but there are two under CC. So, I never know who wrote what I am reading.

I suggest that people sign their posts to allow us to better understand who wrote each missive.

That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing list software or your mail client. Somebody needs to track it down and get it fixed, or ditch the offending software. My tentative bet is your mail client that has been told to ignore the name supplied and instead display the name from the address book entry for the From address. (And that’s the address used because of anti-spam hackery in the mailing list software.)

> On Oct 31, 2024, at 6:37 PM, Jon Bondy via Discuss <discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote: > > > Recently, I often receive messages that look like this: > > <SUk7wI9U9hLEnGuj.png> > > Note that the From does not identify the writer. Maybe the CC identifies the writer, but there are two under CC. So, I never know who wrote what I am reading. > > I suggest that people sign their posts to allow us to better understand who wrote each missive. > That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing list software or your mail client. Somebody needs to track it down and get it fixed, or ditch the offending software. My tentative bet is your mail client that has been told to ignore the name supplied and instead display the name from the address book entry for the From address. (And that’s the address used because of anti-spam hackery in the mailing list software.)

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Michael Marx (spintel)

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 3:23 AM

I sent a direct email to Jon, asking for the email header he receives. I'll look into it.

FYI my headers are of the form:

From: Adrian Mariano via Discuss discuss@lists.openscad.org
Cc: mikeonenine@web.de, Adrian Mariano avm4@cornell.edu

From: Jordan Brown via Discuss [mailto:discuss@lists.openscad.org]
Sent: Fri, 1 Nov 2024 14:18
To: discuss@lists.openscad.org
Cc: Jordan Brown
Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: attribution

On Oct 31, 2024, at 6:37 PM, Jon Bondy via Discuss discuss@lists.openscad.org wrote:

Recently, I often receive messages that look like this:

<SUk7wI9U9hLEnGuj.png>

Note that the From does not identify the writer. Maybe the CC identifies the writer, but there are two under CC. So, I never know who wrote what I am reading.

I suggest that people sign their posts to allow us to better understand who wrote each missive.

That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing list software or your mail client. Somebody needs to track it down and get it fixed, or ditch the offending software. My tentative bet is your mail client that has been told to ignore the name supplied and instead display the name from the address book entry for the From address. (And that’s the address used because of anti-spam hackery in the mailing list software.)

I sent a direct email to Jon, asking for the email header he receives. I'll look into it. FYI my headers are of the form: From: Adrian Mariano via Discuss discuss@lists.openscad.org Cc: mikeonenine@web.de, Adrian Mariano <avm4@cornell.edu> _____ From: Jordan Brown via Discuss [mailto:discuss@lists.openscad.org] Sent: Fri, 1 Nov 2024 14:18 To: discuss@lists.openscad.org Cc: Jordan Brown Subject: [OpenSCAD] Re: attribution On Oct 31, 2024, at 6:37 PM, Jon Bondy via Discuss <discuss@lists.openscad.org> wrote: Recently, I often receive messages that look like this: <SUk7wI9U9hLEnGuj.png> Note that the From does not identify the writer. Maybe the CC identifies the writer, but there are two under CC. So, I never know who wrote what I am reading. I suggest that people sign their posts to allow us to better understand who wrote each missive. That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing list software or your mail client. Somebody needs to track it down and get it fixed, or ditch the offending software. My tentative bet is your mail client that has been told to ignore the name supplied and instead display the name from the address book entry for the From address. (And that’s the address used because of anti-spam hackery in the mailing list software.)

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Torsten Paul

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 10:15 AM

On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote:

That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing
list software or your mail client.

I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the
mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss
again.

ciao,
Torsten.

On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote: > That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing > list software or your mail client. I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss again. ciao, Torsten.

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Jon Bondy

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 12:59 PM

Torsten:

Thanks! I do, indeed, use Thunderbird.

By "the mailing list" do you mean "OpenSCAD general discussion
Mailing-List discuss@lists.openscad.org"?

I did not add that to my address book: would it just get added in again
after a while?

Jon

On 11/1/2024 6:15 AM, Torsten Paul via Discuss wrote:

On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote:

That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing
list software or your mail client.

I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the
mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss
again.

ciao,
Torsten.

OpenSCAD mailing list
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Torsten: Thanks! I do, indeed, use Thunderbird. By "the mailing list" do you mean "OpenSCAD general discussion Mailing-List <discuss@lists.openscad.org>"? I did not add that to my address book: would it just get added in again after a while? Jon On 11/1/2024 6:15 AM, Torsten Paul via Discuss wrote: > On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote: >> That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing >> list software or your mail client. > > I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the > mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss > again. > > ciao, > Torsten. > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com

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Torsten Paul

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 3:04 PM

On 01.11.24 13:59, Jon Bondy wrote:

I did not add that to my address book: would it just get added in again
after a while?

There is a global setting to add recipient addresses to the local
address book.

ciao,
Torsten.

On 01.11.24 13:59, Jon Bondy wrote: > I did not add that to my address book: would it just get added in again > after a while? There is a global setting to add recipient addresses to the local address book. ciao, Torsten.

JB

Jordan Brown

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 5:19 PM

On 11/1/2024 3:15 AM, Torsten Paul via Discuss wrote:

On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote:

That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing
list software or your mail client.

I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the
mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss
again.

Or uncheck "Show only display name for people in my address book" in
Settings / General / Reading & Display.

On 11/1/2024 3:15 AM, Torsten Paul via Discuss wrote: > On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote: >> That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing >> list software or your mail client. > > I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the > mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss > again. Or uncheck "Show only display name for people in my address book" in Settings / General / Reading & Display.

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Jon Bondy

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 5:26 PM

That did it, Torsten.

Not sure why Thunderbird would have a setting that made things so
misleading, but I think I'm all set now

Jon

On 11/1/2024 6:15 AM, Torsten Paul via Discuss wrote:

On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote:

That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing
list software or your mail client.

I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the
mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss
again.

ciao,
Torsten.

OpenSCAD mailing list
To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org

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That did it, Torsten. Not sure why Thunderbird would have a setting that made things so misleading, but I think I'm all set now Jon On 11/1/2024 6:15 AM, Torsten Paul via Discuss wrote: > On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote: >> That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing >> list software or your mail client. > > I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the > mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss > again. > > ciao, > Torsten. > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com

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Jon Bondy

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 5:27 PM

Whoops. THIS is the setting I used, which fixed things.

Too many test messages open at once.

Jon

On 11/1/2024 1:19 PM, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote:

On 11/1/2024 3:15 AM, Torsten Paul via Discuss wrote:

On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote:

That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing
list software or your mail client.

I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the
mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss
again.

Or uncheck "Show only display name for people in my address book" in
Settings / General / Reading & Display.

OpenSCAD mailing list
To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org

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Whoops. THIS is the setting I used, which fixed things. Too many test messages open at once. Jon On 11/1/2024 1:19 PM, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote: > On 11/1/2024 3:15 AM, Torsten Paul via Discuss wrote: >> On 01.11.24 04:18, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote: >>> That’s just unacceptably bad behavior on the part of either the mailing >>> list software or your mail client. >> >> I just saw that effect too with my Thunderbird. Solved by removing the >> mailing list from the address book. Now it shows the "name" via Discuss >> again. > > Or uncheck "Show only display name for people in my address book" in > Settings / General / Reading & Display. > > > > _______________________________________________ > OpenSCAD mailing list > To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@lists.openscad.org -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com

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Torsten Paul

Fri, Nov 1, 2024 5:47 PM

On 01.11.24 18:19, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote:

Or uncheck "Show only display name for people in my address book" in
Settings / General / Reading & Display.

Aha, even better!

I suppose all software > 20 Years old starts to grow settings you
always have to toggle first before using. I wonder if that's the
case with OpenSCAD for some people too. It's not quite that old yet,
but not exacly young either.

ciao,
Torsten.

On 01.11.24 18:19, Jordan Brown via Discuss wrote: > Or uncheck "Show only display name for people in my address book" in > Settings / General / Reading & Display. Aha, even better! I suppose all software > 20 Years old starts to grow settings you always have to toggle first before using. I wonder if that's the case with OpenSCAD for some people too. It's not quite that old yet, but not exacly young either. ciao, Torsten.