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Peter Jacops

Mon, Jan 30, 2012 5:21 AM

We are planning to do the great loop with our Tad Roberts designed
passagemakerlite. We will leave from South Africa where we live but we have
Belgian and Dutch citizenship. Has any non-US citizen experience with
dealing with the immigration authorities while doing the great loop?
regards

--
Peter Jacops
www.passagemaker.co.za

We are planning to do the great loop with our Tad Roberts designed passagemakerlite. We will leave from South Africa where we live but we have Belgian and Dutch citizenship. Has any non-US citizen experience with dealing with the immigration authorities while doing the great loop? regards -- Peter Jacops www.passagemaker.co.za

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Jonah Jones

Mon, Jan 30, 2012 8:31 AM

Hi Peter,
we have done large areas of the intra coastal from the west coast of Florida as far North as the C and D canal.
There have only been a few occasions when we have had authoritative "hic ups" during those trips.
We have a US registered boat though.
From what I can gather, if you do not, then there will be an expectation for you to register with the authorities EVERY NIGHT you change location which is both impractical and unreasonable IMHO.
Perhaps a non US member who has cruised in the US with a foreign flagged vessel can shed more light on this particular law?
Jonah.

On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:21 AM, Peter Jacops wrote:

We are planning to do the great loop with our Tad Roberts designed
passagemakerlite. We will leave from South Africa where we live but we have
Belgian and Dutch citizenship. Has any non-US citizen experience with
dealing with the immigration authorities while doing the great loop?
regards

--
Peter Jacops
www.passagemaker.co.za

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Hi Peter, we have done large areas of the intra coastal from the west coast of Florida as far North as the C and D canal. There have only been a few occasions when we have had authoritative "hic ups" during those trips. We have a US registered boat though. From what I can gather, if you do not, then there will be an expectation for you to register with the authorities EVERY NIGHT you change location which is both impractical and unreasonable IMHO. Perhaps a non US member who has cruised in the US with a foreign flagged vessel can shed more light on this particular law? Jonah. On Jan 30, 2012, at 1:21 AM, Peter Jacops wrote: We are planning to do the great loop with our Tad Roberts designed passagemakerlite. We will leave from South Africa where we live but we have Belgian and Dutch citizenship. Has any non-US citizen experience with dealing with the immigration authorities while doing the great loop? regards -- Peter Jacops www.passagemaker.co.za _______________________________________________ http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/listinfo/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com To modify your Great-Loop subscription options (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) go to: http://lists.trawlering.com/mailman/options/great-loop_lists.trawlering.com www.jonah-art.com www.jonahs-whale.com

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allen

Mon, Jan 30, 2012 12:48 PM

We are planning to do the great loop with our Tad Roberts designed
passagemakerlite. We will leave from South Africa where we live but

we have

Belgian and Dutch citizenship. Has any non-US citizen experience with
dealing with the immigration authorities while doing the great loop?

Keep in mind that non-US citizens spending 180 days or more in any
365-day period are required to file US tax and pay US tax on worldwide
income. Tax treaties with other countries may offset some or all of
that, but even if there is no taxable amount, the requirement to file
can be very expensive and onerous. Owning US property can also trigger
unexpected tax consequences. I don't know about boat registration
implications, but be aware that there are state taxes for boats
remaining in some US states for longer than various periods or being
there on specific dates.

I am not an accountant, so do your own research. I do know that
Canadians who go south in winter, and even those who own real property,
sometimes through corporations, are very careful about how much time
they spend in the US in any 365-day span.

> We are planning to do the great loop with our Tad Roberts designed > passagemakerlite. We will leave from South Africa where we live but we have > Belgian and Dutch citizenship. Has any non-US citizen experience with > dealing with the immigration authorities while doing the great loop? Keep in mind that non-US citizens spending 180 days or more in any 365-day period are required to file US tax and pay US tax on worldwide income. Tax treaties with other countries may offset some or all of that, but even if there is no taxable amount, the requirement to file can be very expensive and onerous. Owning US property can also trigger unexpected tax consequences. I don't know about boat registration implications, but be aware that there are state taxes for boats remaining in some US states for longer than various periods or being there on specific dates. I am not an accountant, so do your own research. I do know that Canadians who go south in winter, and even those who own real property, sometimes through corporations, are very careful about how much time they spend in the US in any 365-day span.

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Bob McLeran

Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:07 PM

Canadian citizens are very careful about spending more than 180 days out
of Canada in a year because, if they do, they loose their government
medical benefits!!!!!

We saw a number of foreign flagged (non-Canadian) pleasure vessels on
the Erie Canal and Lake Champlain (as well as in Canadian waters) this
past summer. We see them often along the east coast of the US; next time
you're in Newport, New York, Annapolis, Baltimore, Charleston, Ft.
Lauderdale, Miami, etc, check out all the Bahamian flagged vessels.

Foreign vessels in US waters don't seem to be at all unusual, and I'd
guess they don't have any significant issues.

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On 1/30/2012 7:48 AM, allen wrote:

I am not an accountant, so do your own research. I do know that
Canadians who go south in winter, and even those who own real
property, sometimes through corporations, are very careful about how
much time they spend in the US in any 365-day span.

Canadian citizens are very careful about spending more than 180 days out of Canada in a year because, if they do, they loose their government medical benefits!!!!! We saw a number of foreign flagged (non-Canadian) pleasure vessels on the Erie Canal and Lake Champlain (as well as in Canadian waters) this past summer. We see them often along the east coast of the US; next time you're in Newport, New York, Annapolis, Baltimore, Charleston, Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, etc, check out all the Bahamian flagged vessels. Foreign vessels in US waters don't seem to be at all unusual, and I'd guess they don't have any significant issues. <><><><><><><><><><><><>Mozilla Thunderbird<><><><><><><><><><> Bob McLeran and Judy Young Manatee Cove Marina MV Sanderling Patrick Air Force Base DeFever 41 Trawler Melbourne, Florida Blog: http://sanderling2011.blogspot.com/ Pics: http://tinyurl.com/yjx2vky& http://tinyurl.com/yhxjvas Web: http://cruising.mvsanderling.net/ On 1/30/2012 7:48 AM, allen wrote: > I am not an accountant, so do your own research. I do know that > Canadians who go south in winter, and even those who own real > property, sometimes through corporations, are very careful about how > much time they spend in the US in any 365-day span. >

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allen

Mon, Jan 30, 2012 1:54 PM

Canadian citizens are very careful about spending more than 180 days

out of Canada in a year because, if they do, they loose their government
medical benefits!!!!!

Actually, AFAIK, that is only if they are absent for 180 consecutive
days. Details vary from province to province and there may be
qualifiers for special circumstances.

Foreign vessels in US waters don't seem to be at all unusual, and I'd

guess they don't have any significant issues.

Many cruisers are ignorant of tax and other issues until they are
contacted by authorities, and in the past many were able to slip through
the cracks, innocently or otherwise. This is changing rapidly with new
rules and new tracking technology. Cash-strapped governments are
looking much more closely at all potential sources of revenue,
especially since their cost of detection and enforcement has dropped
precipitously.

As a non-US citizen, I would not undertake any activity in the US
without doing due diligence first. This is in spite of the fact that I
have close family members who live and work in the US and the fact that
I travel and spend time there often.

A word to the wise is sufficient.

> Canadian citizens are very careful about spending more than 180 days out of Canada in a year because, if they do, they loose their government medical benefits!!!!! Actually, AFAIK, that is only if they are absent for 180 _consecutive_ days. Details vary from province to province and there may be qualifiers for special circumstances. > Foreign vessels in US waters don't seem to be at all unusual, and I'd guess they don't have any significant issues. Many cruisers are ignorant of tax and other issues until they are contacted by authorities, and in the past many were able to slip through the cracks, innocently or otherwise. This is changing rapidly with new rules and new tracking technology. Cash-strapped governments are looking much more closely at all potential sources of revenue, especially since their cost of detection and enforcement has dropped precipitously. As a non-US citizen, I would not undertake _any_ activity in the US without doing due diligence first. This is in spite of the fact that I have close family members who live and work in the US and the fact that I travel and spend time there often. A word to the wise is sufficient.

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