Marcus

On Jul 2, 2010, at 9:00 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Jul 2, 2010, at 1:14 AM, travis griggs wrote: > >> can you please remove this e-mail from your list. This is not the Travis Griggs that wrote a book on small talk. Thanks >> > > I have removed the adress ....@gmail.com from the esug mailinglist. Strange. > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >

Hi all, I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared cost (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will charge you. Grtz. Diego

Stephan,   are you talking about payments within the EU (SEPA transfers) or international (SWIFT) payments? Within the EU, if you initiate a SEPA payment, they won't charge any more than for domestic payments and there should normally not be any question about sharing costs at all...   Joachim Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 10:30 geschrieben: > Hi all, > > I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the  > bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. > > For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared cost  > (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all.  > When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will  > charge you. > > Grtz. Diego > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel          mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1                         http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0         Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1

Joachim, I am not sure how all transfers are called, but all banks offer for international payments a choice between: - all costs are for the initiator (DOM) - we share the cost (SHA) - all costs are for benificiary (BEN) Only when you choose SHA, the bank has to transfer cost free within the EU. As said: if you check DOM, most banks will charge you. grtz. Stephan and Diego On 2 jul 2010, at 11:12, jtuchel@objektfabrik.de wrote: > Stephan, > > are you talking about payments within the EU (SEPA transfers) or > international > (SWIFT) payments? > Within the EU, if you initiate a SEPA payment, they won't charge any > more than > for domestic payments and there should normally not be any question > about > sharing costs at all... > > Joachim > > Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 10:30 > geschrieben: > >> Hi all, >> >> I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the >> bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. >> >> For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared >> cost >> (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. >> When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will >> charge you. >> >> Grtz. Diego >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list@lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de > D-71640 Ludwigsburg > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Hi Stephan, You're right. This statement is valid only for transfers from outside the European Union. We'll fix it. Best, Noury On 2 juil. 2010, at 11:30, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Joachim, > > I am not sure how all transfers are called, but all banks offer for international payments a choice between: > - all costs are for the initiator (DOM) > - we share the cost (SHA) > - all costs are for benificiary (BEN) > > Only when you choose SHA, the bank has to transfer cost free within the EU. As said: if you check DOM, most banks will charge you. > > grtz. Stephan and Diego > > > On 2 jul 2010, at 11:12, jtuchel@objektfabrik.de wrote: > >> Stephan, >> >> are you talking about payments within the EU (SEPA transfers) or international >> (SWIFT) payments? >> Within the EU, if you initiate a SEPA payment, they won't charge any more than >> for domestic payments and there should normally not be any question about >> sharing costs at all... >> >> Joachim >> >> Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 10:30 geschrieben: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the >>> bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. >>> >>> For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared cost >>> (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. >>> When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will >>> charge you. >>> >>> Grtz. Diego >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list@lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de >> Fliederweg 1 http://www.objektfabrik.de >> D-71640 Ludwigsburg >> Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0 Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list@lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org

Stephan,   so mabe I am talking about a German specialty. All our banks give me a selection between SEPA payments within the EU and international payments for the rest of the world. If I select a SEPA payment, they never ask about sharing costs, because that is defined. SEPA payments have the same cost (if any) like domestic payments.   Joachim     Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 11:30 geschrieben: > Joachim, > > I am not sure how all transfers are called, but all banks offer for  > international payments a choice between: > - all costs are for the initiator (DOM) > - we share the cost (SHA) > - all costs are for benificiary (BEN) > > Only when you choose SHA, the bank has to transfer cost free within  > the EU. As said: if you check DOM, most banks will charge you. > > grtz. Stephan and Diego > > > On 2 jul 2010, at 11:12, jtuchel@objektfabrik.de wrote: > > > Stephan, > > > > are you talking about payments within the EU (SEPA transfers) or  > > international > > (SWIFT) payments? > > Within the EU, if you initiate a SEPA payment, they won't charge any  > > more than > > for domestic payments and there should normally not be any question  > > about > > sharing costs at all... > > > > Joachim > > > > Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> hat am 2. Juli 2010 um 10:30  > > geschrieben: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I just registered for the ESUG 2010 and I found the message about the > >> bank transfer misleading. Stephan remarked: again!. > >> > >> For European (within EU) transfers, people should fill out shared  > >> cost > >> (SHA), in order to ensure the payment is done without costs at all. > >> When you tell your bank "without costs to the beneficiary" they will > >> charge you. > >> > >> Grtz. Diego > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Esug-list mailing list > >> Esug-list@lists.esug.org > >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel          mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de > > Fliederweg 1                         http://www.objektfabrik.de > > D-71640 Ludwigsburg > > Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0         Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Esug-list mailing list > > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list@lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Objektfabrik Joachim Tuchel          mailto:jtuchel@objektfabrik.de Fliederweg 1                         http://www.objektfabrik.de D-71640 Ludwigsburg Telefon: +49 7141 56 10 86 0         Fax: +49 7141 56 10 86 1