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7071 noisy?

JN
Jean-Louis Noel
Tue, Jul 22, 2014 4:19 PM

Hi Everyone,

I have a problem. I bought a Solartron 7071 on Ebay.
That Voltmeter seems working properly but I think it's too noisy.
It passes Self Test and Initialize and the reading is consistent against
a Weston Cell to the µV.
But, when left with a short circuit as input the noise (maximum during 5
min) is:
0.2µV for 0.1V scale
0.4µV for 1V scale
8µV for 10V scale

Is it acceptable?
Thanks for your help.

Bye,
Jean-Louis

Hi Everyone, I have a problem. I bought a Solartron 7071 on Ebay. That Voltmeter seems working properly but I think it's too noisy. It passes Self Test and Initialize and the reading is consistent against a Weston Cell to the µV. But, when left with a short circuit as input the noise (maximum during 5 min) is: 0.2µV for 0.1V scale 0.4µV for 1V scale 8µV for 10V scale Is it acceptable? Thanks for your help. Bye, Jean-Louis
Михаил
Fri, Jul 25, 2014 6:31 PM

Solartron 7071/7081 manuals don't have official information about the
measurement noise. So I don't understand where "0.1/0.6/4 uV" is coming from.
Only one of the docs - Instruments Test Specification - have a 10 V noise limits:
"10 V noise - The rms noise of 10 readings at 10 V is measured. It must be less
than 3 uV". This is roughly equal to 12 uV p-p (with p=0.998, f=10).
My old measurements (7.5-digits, short, 5-10 minutes):
0.1 V = 0.2 uV
10 V = 5 uV
Solartron 7071/7081 have a several main sources of short-term instability. From
most important to least:

  1. Improper settings of the PLL's nominal frequency (see page 9.5 of the Service
    Manual).
  2. Noisy 1N829 Zener.
  3. Noisy IC201 (swap to LTC1052 solves this problem forever).
  4. Noisy Input Amplifier.

Regards,
Mickle T.

Tuesday, July 22, 2014, 8:19:25 PM, you wrote:
JLN> Hi Everyone,

JLN> I have a problem. I bought a Solartron 7071 on Ebay.
JLN> That Voltmeter seems working properly but I think it's too noisy.
JLN> It passes Self Test and Initialize and the reading is consistent against
JLN> a Weston Cell to the µV.
JLN> But, when left with a short circuit as input the noise (maximum during 5
JLN> min) is:
JLN> 0.2µV for 0.1V scale
JLN> 0.4µV for 1V scale
JLN> 8µV for 10V scale

JLN> Is it acceptable?
JLN> Thanks for your help.

JLN> Bye,
JLN> Jean-Louis
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Solartron 7071/7081 manuals don't have official information about the measurement noise. So I don't understand where "0.1/0.6/4 uV" is coming from. Only one of the docs - Instruments Test Specification - have a 10 V noise limits: "10 V noise - The rms noise of 10 readings at 10 V is measured. It must be less than 3 uV". This is roughly equal to 12 uV p-p (with p=0.998, f=10). My old measurements (7.5-digits, short, 5-10 minutes): 0.1 V = 0.2 uV 10 V = 5 uV Solartron 7071/7081 have a several main sources of short-term instability. From most important to least: 1) Improper settings of the PLL's nominal frequency (see page 9.5 of the Service Manual). 2) Noisy 1N829 Zener. 3) Noisy IC201 (swap to LTC1052 solves this problem forever). 4) Noisy Input Amplifier. Regards, Mickle T. Tuesday, July 22, 2014, 8:19:25 PM, you wrote: JLN> Hi Everyone, JLN> I have a problem. I bought a Solartron 7071 on Ebay. JLN> That Voltmeter seems working properly but I think it's too noisy. JLN> It passes Self Test and Initialize and the reading is consistent against JLN> a Weston Cell to the µV. JLN> But, when left with a short circuit as input the noise (maximum during 5 JLN> min) is: JLN> 0.2µV for 0.1V scale JLN> 0.4µV for 1V scale JLN> 8µV for 10V scale JLN> Is it acceptable? JLN> Thanks for your help. JLN> Bye, JLN> Jean-Louis JLN> _______________________________________________ JLN> volt-nuts mailing list -- volt-nuts@febo.com JLN> To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/volt-nuts JLN> and follow the instructions there.
JN
Jean-Louis Noel
Sat, Jul 26, 2014 11:13 AM

Hi Mickle,

From: "Михаил (Mickle)" timka2k@yandex.ru

My old measurements (7.5-digits, short, 5-10 minutes):
0.1 V = 0.2 uV
10 V = 5 uV

  1. Improper settings of the PLL's nominal frequency (see page 9.5 of the
    Service
    Manual).
  2. Noisy 1N829 Zener.
  3. Noisy IC201 (swap to LTC1052 solves this problem forever).
  4. Noisy Input Amplifier.

JLN> 0.2µV for 0.1V scale
JLN> 0.4µV for 1V scale
JLN> 8µV for 10V scale

So, mine seems a bit noisy!
I asked that question because if you press "DIG FILT"
it displays to the 10th of fV a bit useless if the short term stability is
not better than 0.2µV!

The web site relating your modification of the Solartron is of line.
I can provide you with a web space if you wish.

Have a good day.

Bye,
Jean-Louis

Hi Mickle, From: "Михаил (Mickle)" <timka2k@yandex.ru> > My old measurements (7.5-digits, short, 5-10 minutes): > 0.1 V = 0.2 uV > 10 V = 5 uV > 1) Improper settings of the PLL's nominal frequency (see page 9.5 of the > Service > Manual). > 2) Noisy 1N829 Zener. > 3) Noisy IC201 (swap to LTC1052 solves this problem forever). > 4) Noisy Input Amplifier. >> JLN> 0.2µV for 0.1V scale >> JLN> 0.4µV for 1V scale >> JLN> 8µV for 10V scale So, mine seems a bit noisy! I asked that question because if you press "DIG FILT" it displays to the 10th of fV a bit useless if the short term stability is not better than 0.2µV! The web site relating your modification of the Solartron is of line. I can provide you with a web space if you wish. Have a good day. Bye, Jean-Louis