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TWL: RE: Marine trade magazine & 10,000 containers.

MD
Meyer, Danny
Tue, Nov 18, 2003 2:00 PM

I have no figures for what they actually lose...but 10,000 a year would only
be a fraction of a percentage point of what moves...pretty safe bet for
insurance.

CUAgain,
Daniel Meyer
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-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Bales
Ten thousand a year seems unrealistic to me.  If this were true, wouldn't
insurance on these containers be unaffordable?  Or insurance companies
screaming bloody murder?
/snip

I have no figures for what they actually lose...but 10,000 a year would only be a fraction of a percentage point of what moves...pretty safe bet for insurance. CUAgain, Daniel Meyer http://cuagain.manilasites.com http:lifeisaroad.home.comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: Frank Bales Ten thousand a year seems unrealistic to me. If this were true, wouldn't insurance on these containers be unaffordable? Or insurance companies screaming bloody murder? /snip
AH
Alex Hirsekorn
Tue, Nov 18, 2003 7:35 PM

----- Original Message -----
From: "Meyer, Danny" DMeyer@dallasnews.com

I have no figures for what they actually lose...but 10,000 a year

would only

be a fraction of a percentage point of what moves...pretty safe bet

for

insurance.

It's "Fun With Numbers Time"!

The Port of Seattle transships well over a million containers per
year. A loss of 10K containers would be 1% of that.

I don't have statistics for other ports but it seems reasonable to
assume that the major Pacific NW ports (Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, &
Vancouver) would handle 3 million plus so the loss is now 0.33% or so.

In the overall scheme of things, those ports aren't all that big. I'd
guess that San Francisco/Oakland handles more than any of the NW ports
and Long Beach probably handles at least as much as all the NW ports
combined. A very conservative estimate for the Pacific coast of North
America would be 7 to 8 million containers per year and ten million
might be closer to the mark so the loss would be between 0.10 and
0.14%

Now double that figure to include the Atlantic coast and the loss is
0.05 to 0.07%

Finally, remember that the REALLY HUGE container ports are in Europe
and Asia and it's easy to envision that 10K figure as only amounting
to 0.01% (or 0.0001x total containers shipped). That's pretty rare
statistically even though it is a lot of potential collision targets.

From an insurance point of view it's worthwhile to consider that quite

a lot of containerized cargo is "low value" material like unprocessed
fruits and vegetables, unprocessed hides (which sailors hate because
of the stench!), or even livestock (Not a favorite of the longshoremen
who have to clean the containers afterwards). OTOH: My guess is that
if you were to run into a lost container in the middle of the ocean
you wouldn't much care if it was full of potatoes or big screen TV's.

Numerically yours,

Alex

----- Original Message ----- From: "Meyer, Danny" <DMeyer@dallasnews.com> > I have no figures for what they actually lose...but 10,000 a year would only > be a fraction of a percentage point of what moves...pretty safe bet for > insurance. > It's "Fun With Numbers Time"! The Port of Seattle transships well over a million containers per year. A loss of 10K containers would be 1% of that. I don't have statistics for other ports but it seems reasonable to assume that the major Pacific NW ports (Seattle, Tacoma, Portland, & Vancouver) would handle 3 million plus so the loss is now 0.33% or so. In the overall scheme of things, those ports aren't all that big. I'd guess that San Francisco/Oakland handles more than any of the NW ports and Long Beach probably handles at least as much as all the NW ports combined. A very conservative estimate for the Pacific coast of North America would be 7 to 8 million containers per year and ten million might be closer to the mark so the loss would be between 0.10 and 0.14% Now double that figure to include the Atlantic coast and the loss is 0.05 to 0.07% Finally, remember that the REALLY HUGE container ports are in Europe and Asia and it's easy to envision that 10K figure as only amounting to 0.01% (or 0.0001x total containers shipped). That's pretty rare statistically even though it is a lot of potential collision targets. >From an insurance point of view it's worthwhile to consider that quite a lot of containerized cargo is "low value" material like unprocessed fruits and vegetables, unprocessed hides (which sailors hate because of the stench!), or even livestock (Not a favorite of the longshoremen who have to clean the containers afterwards). OTOH: My guess is that if you were to run into a lost container in the middle of the ocean you wouldn't much care if it was full of potatoes or big screen TV's. Numerically yours, Alex