CC
Candy Chapman and Gary Bell
Wed, Jan 30, 2008 6:58 PM
Grahame Shannon said:
The PDQ 34 would have been more popular on the Left Coast were it not
for a beam too wide for road transport.
REPLY:
In Sept-Oct 2002 I cruised my PDQ 34 from the factory across the Great Lakes
to the Palmer Johnson yards at Sturgeon Bay, WI. It was then loaded on a
special trailer and hauled to Portland, OR. True, it was a specially tweaked
low-boy trailer, and the hauler has since gone out of business (he died of
illness, honest). True, I had to remove and replace the flybridge (the
factory built mine specially for that). True, it took special permitting,
different for each state, due to its 16' 10" beam. True, nobody else has done
long haul transport of PDQ or similar cats, before or since so far as I know.
However, it worked fine, took a small fraction of the transit time required
for Dockwise or equivalent, and I saved 30-50% of the cost of ship transport.
I feel strongly that while there are hurdles and barriers to land hauling, it
is quite possible, and that intellectual inertia and lack of a clearly seen
precedent are the chief problems.
Cheers,
Gary Bell
Grahame Shannon said:
The PDQ 34 would have been more popular on the Left Coast were it not
for a beam too wide for road transport.
REPLY:
In Sept-Oct 2002 I cruised my PDQ 34 from the factory across the Great Lakes
to the Palmer Johnson yards at Sturgeon Bay, WI. It was then loaded on a
special trailer and hauled to Portland, OR. True, it was a specially tweaked
low-boy trailer, and the hauler has since gone out of business (he died of
illness, honest). True, I had to remove and replace the flybridge (the
factory built mine specially for that). True, it took special permitting,
different for each state, due to its 16' 10" beam. True, nobody else has done
long haul transport of PDQ or similar cats, before or since so far as I know.
However, it worked fine, took a small fraction of the transit time required
for Dockwise or equivalent, and I saved 30-50% of the cost of ship transport.
I feel strongly that while there are hurdles and barriers to land hauling, it
is quite possible, and that intellectual inertia and lack of a clearly seen
precedent are the chief problems.
Cheers,
Gary Bell
B
bill
Wed, Jan 30, 2008 7:13 PM
Hi Gary,
What vertical height did you carry over the road on
your trip from WI to OR?
Bill
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Hi Gary,
What vertical height did you carry over the road on
your trip from WI to OR?
Bill
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Wed, Jan 30, 2008 9:50 PM
If the climate heating continues, you could take it on it's own bottom through the Northwest Passage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Candy Chapman and Gary Bell tulgey@earthlink.net
To: Power Catamaran List power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 1:58 pm
Subject: [PCW] mono vs. cat
Grahame Shannon said:
The PDQ 34 would have been more popular on the Left Coast were it not
for a beam too wide for road transport.
REPLY:
In Sept-Oct 2002 I cruised my PDQ 34 from the factory across the Great Lakes
to the Palmer Johnson yards at Sturgeon Bay, WI. It was then loaded on a
special trailer and hauled to Portland, OR. True, it was a specially tweaked
low-boy trailer, and the hauler has since gone out of business (he died of
illness, honest). True, I had to remove and replace the flybridge (the
factory built mine specially for that). True, it took special permitting,
different for each state, due to its 16' 10" beam. True, nobody else has done
long haul transport of PDQ or similar cats, before or since so far as I know.
However, it worked fine, took a small fraction of the transit time required
for Dockwise or equivalent, and I saved 30-50% of the cost of ship transport.
I feel strongly that while there are hurdles and barriers to land hauling, it
is quite possible, and that intellectual inertia and lack of a clearly seen
precedent are the chief problems.
Cheers,
Gary Bell
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If the climate heating continues, you could take it on it's own bottom through the Northwest Passage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Candy Chapman and Gary Bell <tulgey@earthlink.net>
To: Power Catamaran List <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 1:58 pm
Subject: [PCW] mono vs. cat
Grahame Shannon said:
The PDQ 34 would have been more popular on the Left Coast were it not
for a beam too wide for road transport.
REPLY:
In Sept-Oct 2002 I cruised my PDQ 34 from the factory across the Great Lakes
to the Palmer Johnson yards at Sturgeon Bay, WI. It was then loaded on a
special trailer and hauled to Portland, OR. True, it was a specially tweaked
low-boy trailer, and the hauler has since gone out of business (he died of
illness, honest). True, I had to remove and replace the flybridge (the
factory built mine specially for that). True, it took special permitting,
different for each state, due to its 16' 10" beam. True, nobody else has done
long haul transport of PDQ or similar cats, before or since so far as I know.
However, it worked fine, took a small fraction of the transit time required
for Dockwise or equivalent, and I saved 30-50% of the cost of ship transport.
I feel strongly that while there are hurdles and barriers to land hauling, it
is quite possible, and that intellectual inertia and lack of a clearly seen
precedent are the chief problems.
Cheers,
Gary Bell
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D C *Mac* Macdonald
Wed, Jan 30, 2008 10:04 PM
How many years will he have to wait before this is possible?
10? 50? 100? 1000? 5000?
Is this according to the same folks who can't really tell us
what the weather will be in 72 hours?
** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
- m/v Another Adventure *
** '95 Carver 355 ACMY **
- Grand Lake - Oklahoma *
** AGLCA (#217) & USPS **
To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:50:38 -0500
From: sealubber7@aol.com
Subject: Re: [PCW] mono vs. cat
If the climate heating continues, you could take it on
its own bottom through the Northwest Passage.
-----Original Message-----
From: Candy Chapman and Gary Bell
To: Power Catamaran List
Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 1:58 pm
Subject: [PCW] mono vs. cat
Grahame Shannon said:
The PDQ 34 would have been more popular on the Left Coast were it not
for a beam too wide for road transport.
How many years will he have to wait before this is possible?
10? 50? 100? 1000? 5000?
Is this according to the same folks who can't really tell us
what the weather will be in 72 hours?
** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
* m/v Another Adventure *
** '95 Carver 355 ACMY **
* Grand Lake - Oklahoma *
** AGLCA (#217) & USPS **
> To: power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com
> Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:50:38 -0500
> From: sealubber7@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [PCW] mono vs. cat
>
> If the climate heating continues, you could take it on
> its own bottom through the Northwest Passage.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Candy Chapman and Gary Bell
> To: Power Catamaran List
> Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 1:58 pm
> Subject: [PCW] mono vs. cat
>
> Grahame Shannon said:
>
> The PDQ 34 would have been more popular on the Left Coast were it not
> for a beam too wide for road transport.
AJ
Arild Jensen
Wed, Jan 30, 2008 10:18 PM
-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of D C Mac Macdonald
How many years will he have to wait before this is possible?
10? 50? 100? 1000? 5000?
Is this according to the same folks who can't really tell us
what the weather will be in 72 hours?
** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
REPLY
Don't look now but private yachts as small as 40 feet have been doing that
trip for a couple of years now.
> -----Original Message-----
> Behalf Of D C *Mac* Macdonald
>
> How many years will he have to wait before this is possible?
> 10? 50? 100? 1000? 5000?
>
> Is this according to the same folks who can't really tell us
> what the weather will be in 72 hours?
> ** D C "Mac" Macdonald **
REPLY
Don't look now but private yachts as small as 40 feet have been doing that
trip for a couple of years now.
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Wed, Jan 30, 2008 11:11 PM
Don't look now but private yachts as small as 40 feet have been doing that
trip for a couple of years now.
Gosh, don't start thinking for a minute that it's now an easy cruise
across the top of the hemisphere. Sure, in the last decade there have
been two relatively easy years, but Mother Nature still rules, and
she can be mean.
I've been interested in the Northwest Passage for close to 20 years,
tracking passages by yachts. I lived for two years in the Northwest
Territories. As I told someone last week, there is absolutely no
guarantee you can get through in one season, even today. In fact, if
you're considering a transit, you should plan on being stuck in ice
for one winter. Far, far, far more yachts have had to over-winter
than got through in one season.
Two years ago, I had a chance to talk with Ben Gray who was the first
to make in the passage in a trawler yacht, a 57-foot Buehler custom
monohull. "Don't talk to me about global warming," he said, recalling
he was certain he and his sons were going to lose Idlewild when she
was trapped by ice, forced up unto an ice floe like a marooned
aluminum whale.
http://www.trawlersandtrawlering.com/news/idlewildpassage.html
The one and only power catamaran to make the transit was a Royal
Canadian Mounted Police patrol vessel that lucked into one of those
two "easy" years but it travelled with an icebreaker for support.
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/VE0NWP/MainPage.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/12/04/MNW136483.DTL&type=science
Even the RCMP got a scare, albeit from a polar bear.
--Georgs
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatamaranworld.com
>Don't look now but private yachts as small as 40 feet have been doing that
>trip for a couple of years now.
Gosh, don't start thinking for a minute that it's now an easy cruise
across the top of the hemisphere. Sure, in the last decade there have
been two relatively easy years, but Mother Nature still rules, and
she can be mean.
I've been interested in the Northwest Passage for close to 20 years,
tracking passages by yachts. I lived for two years in the Northwest
Territories. As I told someone last week, there is absolutely no
guarantee you can get through in one season, even today. In fact, if
you're considering a transit, you should plan on being stuck in ice
for one winter. Far, far, far more yachts have had to over-winter
than got through in one season.
Two years ago, I had a chance to talk with Ben Gray who was the first
to make in the passage in a trawler yacht, a 57-foot Buehler custom
monohull. "Don't talk to me about global warming," he said, recalling
he was certain he and his sons were going to lose Idlewild when she
was trapped by ice, forced up unto an ice floe like a marooned
aluminum whale.
http://www.trawlersandtrawlering.com/news/idlewildpassage.html
The one and only power catamaran to make the transit was a Royal
Canadian Mounted Police patrol vessel that lucked into one of those
two "easy" years but it travelled with an icebreaker for support.
http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/VE0NWP/MainPage.htm
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/12/04/MNW136483.DTL&type=science
Even the RCMP got a scare, albeit from a polar bear.
--Georgs
--
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Power Catamaran World
http://www.powercatamaranworld.com
RD
Robert Deering
Thu, Jan 31, 2008 2:35 AM
Mac said: "How many years will he have to wait before this is possible?
10? 50? 100? 1000? 5000? Is this according to the same folks who can't
really tell us what the weather will be in 72 hours?"
Well...yes Mac, if you get your weather forecasts from U.S. Coast Guard
broadcasts. According to them the trip has already been made by hundreds of
boats over the past few years, possibly thousands, though no one is tracking
it.
The Coast Guard is planning to deploy assets in the Bering Strait and Arctic
Ocean as soon as possible. Their statement is that they anticipate doing
everything on our "new coast" as they do on the current left and right
coasts - meaning search & rescue, law enforcement, navigational aids,
communications, homeland security, and all of the rest of the stuff they do.
I understand the Canadian Coast Guard is planning likewise.
Once the basic support infrastructure is in place up there (measured in
years, not decades), summer Northwest Passages will become feasible for many
intrepid boaters with a suitably equipped boat (doubt that there will be too
many fuel docks, at least for awhile). Probably beyond the capabilities of
Gary Bell's PDQ 34, but not for Dennis Raedeke's WWIV!
Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska
Mac said: "How many years will he have to wait before this is possible?
10? 50? 100? 1000? 5000? Is this according to the same folks who can't
really tell us what the weather will be in 72 hours?"
Well...yes Mac, if you get your weather forecasts from U.S. Coast Guard
broadcasts. According to them the trip has already been made by hundreds of
boats over the past few years, possibly thousands, though no one is tracking
it.
The Coast Guard is planning to deploy assets in the Bering Strait and Arctic
Ocean as soon as possible. Their statement is that they anticipate doing
everything on our "new coast" as they do on the current left and right
coasts - meaning search & rescue, law enforcement, navigational aids,
communications, homeland security, and all of the rest of the stuff they do.
I understand the Canadian Coast Guard is planning likewise.
Once the basic support infrastructure is in place up there (measured in
years, not decades), summer Northwest Passages will become feasible for many
intrepid boaters with a suitably equipped boat (doubt that there will be too
many fuel docks, at least for awhile). Probably beyond the capabilities of
Gary Bell's PDQ 34, but not for Dennis Raedeke's WWIV!
Bob Deering
Juneau, Alaska
GK
Georgs Kolesnikovs
Thu, Jan 31, 2008 2:48 AM
Well...yes Mac, if you get your weather forecasts from U.S. Coast Guard
broadcasts. According to them the trip has already been made by hundreds of
boats over the past few years, possibly thousands, though no one is tracking
it.
That simply isn't true for recreational vessels, ie, yachts. Maybe
only 30 have made the transit, almopst all of them sailboats.
I don't even think "hundreds" is true for commercial vessels.
Actually, I'm sure it is not.
--Georgs
>Well...yes Mac, if you get your weather forecasts from U.S. Coast Guard
>broadcasts. According to them the trip has already been made by hundreds of
>boats over the past few years, possibly thousands, though no one is tracking
>it.
That simply isn't true for recreational vessels, ie, yachts. Maybe
only 30 have made the transit, almopst all of them sailboats.
I don't even think "hundreds" is true for commercial vessels.
Actually, I'm sure it is not.
--Georgs
RD
Robert Deering
Thu, Jan 31, 2008 3:24 AM
"I don't even think "hundreds" is true for commercial vessels.
Actually, I'm sure it is not."
Georgs, my source is the District Commander (Admiral Brooks) for the 17th CG
District, which encompasses Alaska. But he readily admits that the data is
sparse as there is no tracking system currently in place.
The bottom line though is that things are changing dramatically and rapidly
up there and the Coast Guard is taking it very seriously based on a lot of
analysis. I think their biggest fear, at least initially, is having to
respond to a cruise ship mishap involving hundreds of passengers.
"I don't even think "hundreds" is true for commercial vessels.
Actually, I'm sure it is not."
Georgs, my source is the District Commander (Admiral Brooks) for the 17th CG
District, which encompasses Alaska. But he readily admits that the data is
sparse as there is no tracking system currently in place.
The bottom line though is that things are changing dramatically and rapidly
up there and the Coast Guard is taking it very seriously based on a lot of
analysis. I think their biggest fear, at least initially, is having to
respond to a cruise ship mishap involving hundreds of passengers.
S
sealubber7@aol.com
Thu, Jan 31, 2008 3:39 AM
This?IS the catamaran list...., but while we're talking about it, I read somewhere that the Northwest Passage was opening up and there is competitive interest from the US Coast Guard, the Canadian Coast Guard, and the Russians. Each is afraid that the others will control it if they don't show a dominating presence.?That's a trip I'd like to make.
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From: Robert Deering deering@ak.net
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Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: [PCW] Northwest Passage - was mono vs. cat
"I don't even think "hundreds" is true for commercial vessels.
Actually, I'm sure it is not."
Georgs, my source is the District Commander (Admiral Brooks) for the 17th CG
District, which encompasses Alaska. But he readily admits that the data is
sparse as there is no tracking system currently in place.
The bottom line though is that things are changing dramatically and rapidly
up there and the Coast Guard is taking it very seriously based on a lot of
analysis. I think their biggest fear, at least initially, is having to
respond to a cruise ship mishap involving hundreds of passengers.
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This?IS the catamaran list...., but while we're talking about it, I read somewhere that the Northwest Passage was opening up and there is competitive interest from the US Coast Guard, the Canadian Coast Guard, and the Russians. Each is afraid that the others will control it if they don't show a dominating presence.?That's a trip I'd like to make.
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Deering <deering@ak.net>
To: 'Power Catamaran List' <power-catamaran@lists.samurai.com>
Sent: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:24 pm
Subject: Re: [PCW] Northwest Passage - was mono vs. cat
"I don't even think "hundreds" is true for commercial vessels.
Actually, I'm sure it is not."
Georgs, my source is the District Commander (Admiral Brooks) for the 17th CG
District, which encompasses Alaska. But he readily admits that the data is
sparse as there is no tracking system currently in place.
The bottom line though is that things are changing dramatically and rapidly
up there and the Coast Guard is taking it very seriously based on a lot of
analysis. I think their biggest fear, at least initially, is having to
respond to a cruise ship mishap involving hundreds of passengers.
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