Re: [PCW] Musings on an 80-plus-foot power catamaran
I concur with all of Graham's points, well said.
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Unless someone has had experience owning, operating or designing custom
power catamarans over 75', megacats, then how can they seriously comment on
what is right or wrong on a vessel of this size. My point being megayachts
very rarely have opening windows and when owners are onboard almost always
have air-conditioning operating. If the owner or guests want fresh air
they
go outside for a while until they get too hot and then they come inside.
Most of Rod's experience is on smaller boats and therefore his views are
inaccurate when it comes to vessels 80' and above and the likes and
dislikes
of those who can afford them.
Yes there are some obvious disparities in Hay Fu I and II, but who is to
say
this was not exactly what the owner wanted. I know this owner as I worked
with him and Captain Brian on the design and details of Hay Fu I and the
owner always has the first and last say in how he wants his boat to be
built, even if I didn't agree with some aspects of what he wanted.
The window height in Hay Fu I and in every one of my designs is such that
the view can be seen from a sitting or standing position which may not be
the case with smaller production boats. The dining arrangement for Hay Fu
I
was the owner's arrangement that came from an interior designer friend of
his. It was made off site and shipped to Theriault's where it was simply
installed. My plans called for a self standing table and chairs. The
light
wood interior was also the owner's choice and he used the same on both
vessels, so he must like it and I'm sure he doesn't consider resale value,
not even for one minute.
I don't know how much influence Captain Brian had on the owner and the
design changes but I'm sure the owner respected his views. The designer of
Hay Fu II, Gulf Breeze, Florida must also have had a lot to say in the
design and ergonomics of the vessel, but I don't know these people or their
experience so I cannot comment. I can say that unlike many designers I
have
served my time at sea living aboard a catamaran for five years and cruising
from Australia to the Caribbean, the long way. That's when I commenced my
nine year maritime career operating charter boats, corporate yachts and
privately owned megayachts up to and including a 45 meter Feadship all over
the world and that is why my designs are ergonomically designed and well
laid out and I have had many comments and accolades on this fact.
And Rod, Megacats DO NOT need fiddle rails, they do not throw things about
like you imply. Next time you're at a superyacht show take a look onboard
some of the big boys; it's a different world, these boats react differently
to rough sea states than do smaller custom and production boats. You can
even walk around on them in rough conditions WITHOUT holding on.
The comment from P. King about Hay Fu II starboard dinghy garage I should
point out is another Trawlercat Marine unique design feature that was so
well thought of by Captain Brian that it was carried over into Hay Fu II.
Finally every custom boat designer's concern is that the boat they would
like to design but have to change to meet an owner's wishes is still judged
by others as being their design. If an owner has some peculiar tastes the
designer is "tarred with the same brush" and we have to live with it.
Captain Graham Pfister
President & Lead Designer
Trawlercat Marine Designs
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Weekender/Picnic PowerCat (brian eiland)
2. Musings on an 80-plus-foot power cat. (Rod Gibbons)
3. Re: Musings on an 80-plus-foot power cat. (Pat Reischmann)
4. abacos (P. King)
5. Re: Musings on an 80-plus-foot power cat. (brian eiland)
6. Re: Musings on an 80-plus-foot power cat. (Larry G.)
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 08:40:53 -0400
From: "Pat Reischmann" <preischmann@msn.commailto:preischmann@msn.com>
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I don't see how you can critique a yacht like this from pictures
accurately,
this effort looks very good to me from the pictures and is built by a very
experienced yard with proper certifications. I don't think I would worry
about
crumbs an spilled milk on the countertops, it wont be rocking and rolling
very
much. Interior fit and finish is in the eyes of the beholder on a custom
effort and I don't think you can generalize about that. I have just as many
clients that would prefer this interior over the Gucci ones. Most
pilothouse
windows are not designed to open and close since they are built out of
heavy
laminated glass, are meant to be watertight, and have windshield wipers
forward, usually hatches provide the air. As someone who has built a few
boats, and just finished a custom aluminum 50 ft. sailing cat for a client,
I
am impressed with what I can see from the photos. The only thing that might
affect my point of view is what it cost.
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We were given the opportunity to tour Hayfu in George Town, Exuma this past
winter by Capt. Brian. She is a beautiful boat. The aft starboard hull is
a
"garage" for the dinghy and lots of other water toys. We were anchored
near
the owners earlier version of this boat in George Town as well. We hope to
see them again next winter.
The Pretty Penny is home in the Chesapeake Bay for the summer. We will
haul
out the Pretty Penny this summer or early fall for it's annual check and
new
bottom paint in Reedville by Doug Jayne. (He was able to haul out our 49
foot,
23 foot bean boat on a trailer last year.) We also have to fix a small
dent
in the side made by the Bahamian Defense Force during a routine check of us
and the boat. Plan is to head back to the Bahamas for our 4th winter this
fall. Penny Kingsbury
"The true worth of your travels lies not in where you come to be at the end
of
your journey's end, but in who you come to be along the way."
Follow along on the travels of "Pretty Penny" on our blog at
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 11:52:56 -0400
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I found Rod's comments and observations VERY informative. He is listening
to his client at the same time he is selling to him. To many
manufacturers don't do that.
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Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 10:47:41 -0700 (PDT)
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Rod:
Thank you also for your articulate and detailed review of this enormous
Expedition style cat. My lady and I love the Expedition look, but your
comments brought several things to light. Just the same, I'd love to have
such a yacht if only to be critiqued, and if I'm lucky enough to end up
with
it, I'll drop it by your place for a re-fit.
Tex in Berlin
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