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5071A tube EEPROM and tube data

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Corby Dawson
Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:14 AM

While copying the EEprom data to use with a new tube might be a
copyright violation, removing the EEprom from the defective tube and
using it with a replacement tube would not! It is easily removed from a
small PC board mounted on one of the tubes connectors!

John, There are stages in the EM. I'll see if one of the ones I removed
is handy and count the stages.

As far as "loose" cesium in the tube, not so much! Most of the spent
cesium is trapped in gooey carbon stuff spread around the inside of the
tube where the beams end up. However a nitrogen atmosphere glove box
would be the best way to try any repairs. Replacing a bad ion pump might
be possible this way. I used a giant tubing cutter to remove the end
caps to evaluate repairing tubes. Decided the market was not there to
make it worth the effort! A grinder with cutting disks is a quick way to
take one apart to explore the insides.

The HP tubes used a heated metal "burst" diaphragm not glass ampoules to
release the cesium during the tube manufacture.

Corby


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While copying the EEprom data to use with a new tube might be a copyright violation, removing the EEprom from the defective tube and using it with a replacement tube would not! It is easily removed from a small PC board mounted on one of the tubes connectors! John, There are stages in the EM. I'll see if one of the ones I removed is handy and count the stages. As far as "loose" cesium in the tube, not so much! Most of the spent cesium is trapped in gooey carbon stuff spread around the inside of the tube where the beams end up. However a nitrogen atmosphere glove box would be the best way to try any repairs. Replacing a bad ion pump might be possible this way. I used a giant tubing cutter to remove the end caps to evaluate repairing tubes. Decided the market was not there to make it worth the effort! A grinder with cutting disks is a quick way to take one apart to explore the insides. The HP tubes used a heated metal "burst" diaphragm not glass ampoules to release the cesium during the tube manufacture. Corby ____________________________________________________________ Free Roofing Estimates Get up to 4 free roof estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=HIFSgPdu1RBgmTTs9F4m5QAAJ1ABLZFyqoH-WnHH1GJ345whAAQAAAAFAAAAACoBgz4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEhdkAAAAAA==
JM
John Miles
Tue, Sep 8, 2009 7:27 AM

While copying the EEprom data to use with a new tube might be a
copyright violation, removing the EEprom from the defective tube and
using it with a replacement tube would not! It is easily removed from a
small PC board mounted on one of the tubes connectors!

Swapping PROMs between tubes would presumably cause the mainframe to apply
the old tube's voltages, but maybe that's not a huge problem.

Are 5071A tubes labelled with their operating parameters, or are they only
encoded on the EEPROM?

-- john, KE5FX

> While copying the EEprom data to use with a new tube might be a > copyright violation, removing the EEprom from the defective tube and > using it with a replacement tube would not! It is easily removed from a > small PC board mounted on one of the tubes connectors! > Swapping PROMs between tubes would presumably cause the mainframe to apply the old tube's voltages, but maybe that's not a huge problem. Are 5071A tubes labelled with their operating parameters, or are they only encoded on the EEPROM? -- john, KE5FX
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Dave Carlson
Wed, Sep 9, 2009 3:43 PM

Corby,

"The HP tubes used a heated metal "burst" diaphragm not glass ampoules to"

Actually, no. Glass ampoule inside the oven, surrounded by the wicking
material. Last step in the process of starting up a new tube is to use a
metal pin fired into the glass ampoule, similar to firing a small cartridge
with an electrical discharge. The "explosion" drives the metal "bullet" into
the glass ampoule, allowing the cesium to escape into the wicking material.

Dave

----- Original Message -----
From: "Corby Dawson" cdelect@juno.com
To: time-nuts@febo.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 00:14
Subject: [time-nuts] 5071A tube EEPROM and tube data

While copying the EEprom data to use with a new tube might be a
copyright violation, removing the EEprom from the defective tube and
using it with a replacement tube would not! It is easily removed from a
small PC board mounted on one of the tubes connectors!

John, There are stages in the EM. I'll see if one of the ones I removed
is handy and count the stages.

As far as "loose" cesium in the tube, not so much! Most of the spent
cesium is trapped in gooey carbon stuff spread around the inside of the
tube where the beams end up. However a nitrogen atmosphere glove box
would be the best way to try any repairs. Replacing a bad ion pump might
be possible this way. I used a giant tubing cutter to remove the end
caps to evaluate repairing tubes. Decided the market was not there to
make it worth the effort! A grinder with cutting disks is a quick way to
take one apart to explore the insides.

The HP tubes used a heated metal "burst" diaphragm not glass ampoules to
release the cesium during the tube manufacture.

Corby


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Corby, "The HP tubes used a heated metal "burst" diaphragm not glass ampoules to" Actually, no. Glass ampoule inside the oven, surrounded by the wicking material. Last step in the process of starting up a new tube is to use a metal pin fired into the glass ampoule, similar to firing a small cartridge with an electrical discharge. The "explosion" drives the metal "bullet" into the glass ampoule, allowing the cesium to escape into the wicking material. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Corby Dawson" <cdelect@juno.com> To: <time-nuts@febo.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 00:14 Subject: [time-nuts] 5071A tube EEPROM and tube data While copying the EEprom data to use with a new tube might be a copyright violation, removing the EEprom from the defective tube and using it with a replacement tube would not! It is easily removed from a small PC board mounted on one of the tubes connectors! John, There are stages in the EM. I'll see if one of the ones I removed is handy and count the stages. As far as "loose" cesium in the tube, not so much! Most of the spent cesium is trapped in gooey carbon stuff spread around the inside of the tube where the beams end up. However a nitrogen atmosphere glove box would be the best way to try any repairs. Replacing a bad ion pump might be possible this way. I used a giant tubing cutter to remove the end caps to evaluate repairing tubes. Decided the market was not there to make it worth the effort! A grinder with cutting disks is a quick way to take one apart to explore the insides. The HP tubes used a heated metal "burst" diaphragm not glass ampoules to release the cesium during the tube manufacture. Corby ____________________________________________________________ Free Roofing Estimates Get up to 4 free roof estimates today. No obligation! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=HIFSgPdu1RBgmTTs9F4m5QAAJ1ABLZFyqoH-WnHH1GJ345whAAQAAAAFAAAAACoBgz4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEhdkAAAAAA== _______________________________________________ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts and follow the instructions there.